Scoping study published - insufficient funds for Navan

[Navan Junction]

Just out of interest, just as a comparative exercise for projected passengers numbers with Navan and other lines about the country

[Derek Wheeler]

Listen, 8,500 passengers a day is pretty decent for the Navan line. No one can argue with that and the cars it would take off the road. But a comparative exercise with total heuston and connolly figures is useless. We probably need figures for commuter lines like carlow, kildare and gorey. But remember they are running on lines that carry other traffic aswell.

[Navan Junction]

Originally Posted by Derek Wheeler

Listen, 8,500 passengers a day is pretty decent for the Navan line. No one can argue with that and the cars it would take off the road. But a comparative exercise with total heuston and connolly figures is useless. We probably need figures for commuter lines like carlow, kildare and gorey. But remember they are running on lines that carry other traffic aswell.

I know but it is relevant. I couldn't give damn whether I take a train from Navan and it gets me to Dublin city centre in 50 minutes or 70 minutes.

I would prefer any service to another decade of waiting, and either path to Dublin is better that the grid-lock rat race through Blanch.

Point is from an economic perspective it does matter because if the long term vision justifies the direct line to Navan (and God knows we have waited long enough for the dithering to end) then that's what needs to be done.

We have passenger figures for Navan for the first time - maybe it's time to work through comparisons with existing services.

The figures for the line are based on northern line comparisons as well, just to add that in

[Derek Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Navan Junction

I know but it is relevant. I couldn't give damn whether I take a train from Navan and it gets me to Dublin city centre in 50 minutes or 70 minutes.

I would prefer any service to another decade of waiting, and either path to Dublin is better that the grid-lock rat race through Blanch.

Point is from an economic perspective it does matter because if the long term vision justifies the direct line to Navan (and God knows we have waited long enough for the dithering to end) then that's what needs to be done.

We have passenger figures for Navan for the first time - maybe it's time to work through comparisons with existing services.

The figures for the line are based on northern line comparisons as well, just to add that in

For a start the gridlock through blanch is coming to an end long before any railway opens.

As for figures, Ive never seen any bar the overall yearly totals IE give for the entire network. The only new figures I see are the ones quoted for new builds. The only real comparison that you can make with navan is with the new builds such as the WRC or perhaps more so with Midleton. But realistically Navan is unique. Its a long abandoned route.

Indulge me.

[Navan Junction]

I don't know - I was asking you becaue you have all the answers

Do a guesstimate based on number of services a day then and a rule of thumb guess on the load factors

Not scientific, use the Hueston timetable as a guess, say every train on the clock on a daily basis, throw them all in

Bear in mind I don't have an over-riding agenda with the direct route because the Drogheda line is still there, so I'm not worried how it stands up

Give it a go, g'wan

[Derek Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Navan Junction

I don't know - I was asking you becaue you have all the answers

Do a guesstimate based on number of services a day then and a rule of thumb guess on the load factors

Not scientific, use the Hueston timetable as a guess, say every train on the clock on a daily basis, throw them all in

Bear in mind I don't have an over-riding agenda with the direct route because the Drogheda line is still there, so I'm not worried how it stands up

Give it a go, g'wan

Ah no. I don't have those type of answers. Mark Gleeson has that kind of thing to hand. Ask him. I only talk the talk of the ordinary man who couldn't give a **** less about stats, figures etc. Except when it suits an argument and I have them to hand.

Jaysus. That was nearly as good as Dempsey.

By the way is boards.ie still down? I fancy a bit of rough!

[Navan Junction]

Originally Posted by Derek Wheeler

Jaysus. That was nearly as good as Dempsey.

Aye, but he's evolving and picking up new lingo though from hanging around with IÉ. Rail lobby groups are becoming 'Rail enthusiasts' under the new lingo, guess where he got that one