Increase in ticket checks

hoopsheff · 08-04-2009, 11:41

Anybody else notice the sudden increase in ticket checks (especially at heuston)?

They are nearly on a daily basis now....last year if you saw 1 a month it would be it

Also had a check out in Hazelhatch last week!!!

Mark Gleeson · 08-04-2009, 12:31

Plus a lot more people getting handed over to the gardai when they get troublesome

There is a big fare evasion problem and the return on a few inspectors standing around is significant, no excuses if you are caught getting off a train from Heuston at Hazelhatch.

Exit and entry validation is coming soon at Hazelhatch

hoopsheff · 14-04-2009, 11:45

i've no problems with entry/exit validations..its the intimidation from the security goons that i have an issue with...and the poor attitude of ticket checkers

Thomas J Stamp · 14-04-2009, 17:52

this is cap in hand with exit validation, same happened in connolly.

attitude of inspectors can be hit and miss, we have it in writing what the default attitude is, we are working on changing it.

Stasi with a Smile anyone?

hoopsheff · 15-04-2009, 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp

attitude of inspectors can be hit and miss, we have it in writing what the default attitude is, we are working on changing it.

what is it? be ignorant and practically assault some people, ignore others??

al2637 · 15-04-2009, 13:00

In contrast, the ticket checkers at the Amsterdam Biljmer/ArenA station were handing out paper and crayons to anyone with kids on Monday afternoon when I passed through.

(resists urge to make joke about IE hiring some clowns)

DangerM · 30-04-2009, 06:56

Tickets have been checked twice in one week this week on the 06:45 train from Gorey, they've been checked only that amount before over the last couple of months

DangerM · 14-05-2009, 16:24

Just had my ticket checked on the 16:40 train to Gorey, which is grand, just thought it strange that the inspector was accompanied by two security guards. Is that normal?

CSL · 14-05-2009, 17:12

Ask the rentaguards for ther PSA badges for a laugh.

karlr42 · 14-05-2009, 17:33

If they had that in operation on later trains like late night Dart and Commuter services(ticket checking and ability to eject non-ticket-holders), it would be a step in the right direction.
Though as I got the 21:00 Pearse-Maynooth today, each set of ticket barriers had an open gate, so again Irish Rail fail to get even the basics right

DangerM · 15-05-2009, 09:20

They didn't serve any purpose. A person got on beside me at Bray (where a ticket can easily be purchased) but when the inspector asked to see it they just said they didn't have one! The inspector just said you know you should get one when you can and the person just responded to say that they never get one at Bray and just buy one when an inspector shows! He was just issued a ticket and no more was said.

I thought if you were able to buy a ticket before getting on you can be fined if you don't have one?

Thomas Ralph · 15-05-2009, 09:31

You can (assuming the booking office was open; legally, vending machines do not exist). That person really should have been issued with a section 133 RSA 2005 notice for a fine of â‚¬100. I can only assume that either the booking office in Bray was closed or the inspector didn't have his book of fines (which would beg the question as to what he was doing out inspecting in the first place).

poolergirl · 15-05-2009, 10:11

There have been regular incidents on the 16:40 train to Gorey (and the following one to Rosslare) over the last number of months due to an anti-social element. This seems to be the reason for an IE personnel and security presence.

plant43 · 15-05-2009, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Ralph

You can (assuming the booking office was open; legally, vending machines do not exist). That person really should have been issued with a section 133 RSA 2005 notice for a fine of €100. I can only assume that either the booking office in Bray was closed or the inspector didn't have his book of fines (which would beg the question as to what he was doing out inspecting in the first place).

Is there a difference between a ticket inspector and a ticket vendor?

Mark Gleeson · 15-05-2009, 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by plant43

Is there a difference between a ticket inspector and a ticket vendor?

Yes

There are three classifications

1. Booking office clerk (two designations within that)
2. Ticket checker (traveling or stationary some of whom are booking office staff)
3. Revenue Protection Unit

Only the RPU seem to issue fines

Thomas Ralph · 15-05-2009, 10:58

Legally there are "authorised officers" (from section 22A of the Transport Act, 1950), who are allowed to issue fixed payment notices for fare evasion, and "authorised persons" (from item 1 of the schedule to the CIÃ‰ byelaws (Confirmation) Order 1984), who are allowed to issue fare tickets. A person can presumably be both an authorised officer and an authorised person. All gardaÃ* are automatically "authorised officers".

wobbles · 16-05-2009, 08:34

There has been a big increase on ticket checks on the Rosslare line. There seems to be a regular RPU inspector on top of the regular guys. The 0535 from Rosslare seems to be receiving a lot of attention. Last Tuesday morning we had the RPU guy and one of the regular ticket guys on the service.

The 1640 had the RPU guy and STT on Thursday evening. I can only presume its to do with the junkies who have caused havoc on the service in recent times.

08-04-2009, 11:41	#1
hoopsheff Regular Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 90	Increase in ticket checks Anybody else notice the sudden increase in ticket checks (especially at heuston)? They are nearly on a daily basis now....last year if you saw 1 a month it would be it Also had a check out in Hazelhatch last week!!!

08-04-2009, 12:31	#2
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Plus a lot more people getting handed over to the gardai when they get troublesome There is a big fare evasion problem and the return on a few inspectors standing around is significant, no excuses if you are caught getting off a train from Heuston at Hazelhatch. Exit and entry validation is coming soon at Hazelhatch __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

14-04-2009, 17:52	#4
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	this is cap in hand with exit validation, same happened in connolly. attitude of inspectors can be hit and miss, we have it in writing what the default attitude is, we are working on changing it. Stasi with a Smile anyone? __________________ We are the passengers

14-05-2009, 17:33	#10
karlr42 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 340	If they had that in operation on later trains like late night Dart and Commuter services(ticket checking and ability to eject non-ticket-holders), it would be a step in the right direction. Though as I got the 21:00 Pearse-Maynooth today, each set of ticket barriers had an open gate, so again Irish Rail fail to get even the basics right Last edited by karlr42 : 14-05-2009 at 21:50.

15-05-2009, 10:11	#13
poolergirl New to the board Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17	There have been regular incidents on the 16:40 train to Gorey (and the following one to Rosslare) over the last number of months due to an anti-social element. This seems to be the reason for an IE personnel and security presence. Last edited by poolergirl : 15-05-2009 at 10:14.

14-04-2009, 11:45	#3
hoopsheff Regular Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 90	i've no problems with entry/exit validations..its the intimidation from the security goons that i have an issue with...and the poor attitude of ticket checkers

15-04-2009, 13:00	#6
al2637 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 191	In contrast, the ticket checkers at the Amsterdam Biljmer/ArenA station were handing out paper and crayons to anyone with kids on Monday afternoon when I passed through. (resists urge to make joke about IE hiring some clowns)

30-04-2009, 06:56	#7
DangerM Regular Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wicklow Posts: 92	Tickets have been checked twice in one week this week on the 06:45 train from Gorey, they've been checked only that amount before over the last couple of months

14-05-2009, 16:24	#8
DangerM Regular Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wicklow Posts: 92	Just had my ticket checked on the 16:40 train to Gorey, which is grand, just thought it strange that the inspector was accompanied by two security guards. Is that normal?

14-05-2009, 17:12	#9
CSL Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 378	Ask the rentaguards for ther PSA badges for a laugh.

15-05-2009, 09:20	#11
DangerM Regular Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wicklow Posts: 92	They didn't serve any purpose. A person got on beside me at Bray (where a ticket can easily be purchased) but when the inspector asked to see it they just said they didn't have one! The inspector just said you know you should get one when you can and the person just responded to say that they never get one at Bray and just buy one when an inspector shows! He was just issued a ticket and no more was said. I thought if you were able to buy a ticket before getting on you can be fined if you don't have one?

15-05-2009, 09:31	#12
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	You can (assuming the booking office was open; legally, vending machines do not exist). That person really should have been issued with a section 133 RSA 2005 notice for a fine of â‚¬100. I can only assume that either the booking office in Bray was closed or the inspector didn't have his book of fines (which would beg the question as to what he was doing out inspecting in the first place).

15-05-2009, 10:58	#16
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	Legally there are "authorised officers" (from section 22A of the Transport Act, 1950), who are allowed to issue fixed payment notices for fare evasion, and "authorised persons" (from item 1 of the schedule to the CIÃ‰ byelaws (Confirmation) Order 1984), who are allowed to issue fare tickets. A person can presumably be both an authorised officer and an authorised person. All gardaÃ* are automatically "authorised officers".

16-05-2009, 08:34	#17
wobbles Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Rosslare Line Posts: 69	There has been a big increase on ticket checks on the Rosslare line. There seems to be a regular RPU inspector on top of the regular guys. The 0535 from Rosslare seems to be receiving a lot of attention. Last Tuesday morning we had the RPU guy and one of the regular ticket guys on the service. The 1640 had the RPU guy and STT on Thursday evening. I can only presume its to do with the junkies who have caused havoc on the service in recent times.

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