Pensioners - and automatic ticket checking

MrX · 07-03-2007, 18:21

I've seen a few problems with people trying to board DARTs via the automatic barriers with OAP passes.

Is there any move afoot to get Smart Passes ?
I know the new "All Ireland Travel Pass" is a Senior SmartPass.

Is there a plan to use these with the new barriers?

Mark Gleeson · 07-03-2007, 18:49

Anyone with a social welfare pass is required to present the pass at the ticket office to be issued the correct ticket. Its been like that for 10+ years

Thus if a OAP has a ticket there should be no difference compared to previous.

Barriers are smart card enabled

MrX · 07-03-2007, 19:40

It's a bit of a problem when you now have a situation where staff are assuming that everyone can use the vending machines though. i.e. there are unmanned (even if not officially so) stations. Several stations have also opened alternative entrances which are entirely unmanned and have the ticket vending machines and automatic barriers (either of the new or old variety).

It seems reasonable that OAPs should be able to get the Senior SmartPass and use it at DART stations.

It's available, for free, as a replacement for the existing Free Travel Pass and can be applied for via any local social welfare or citizens info office.
or by calling some 1890 number.

It's also accepted by Translink in NI (and must be touched on a smartcard reader on busses etc)

dowlingm · 07-03-2007, 20:01

Plus as a smartpass usage could be monitored for signs of abuse...

Mark Gleeson · 07-03-2007, 21:20

Smartpass only works up north at the moment

Its simple you need a ticket to travel, it also requires the pass holder to go face to face with a member staff

If a station is unstaffed OAP is at no disadvantage to a regular passenger

MrX · 12-03-2007, 19:43

Other than that they can't have their pass recognised by the Ticket Vending Machine and thus will not be able to get past the barriers.

That's a *big* disadvantage.

Mark Gleeson · 12-03-2007, 19:47

Station unstaffed barriers are left open

MrX · 12-03-2007, 19:49

The situations I've seen involve some little old lady standing at an unfriendly hatch going "HELLOOOOO? Anyone there?.." and turnstiles firmly locked.

One said she pays the child minimum fair to defeat the barriers, then presents her pass on board

Colm Moore · 13-03-2007, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Smartpass only works up north at the moment

Ah the irony, issuing a smartpass for a differeent jurisdiction first.

Colm Donoghue · 14-03-2007, 09:18

Ya think that's irony Victor,
how about the Agency to Procure integrated smartcards in Dublin rolling out TWO different non-integrated smartcard systems....

alek smart · 19-03-2007, 21:08

Hey Hey Hey.....Stad Nomeid a chairde ghaeil...
Lets get something quite clear here.....
The Senior Smart Pass referred to in other postings here has NOTHING whatever to do with the Republic of Ireland or its Public Transport operators.

This exotic device is issued to Qualifying UK Citizens resident in Northern Ireland AND to qualifying Citizens of the Republic of Ireland who APPLY for the Free Travel Concession Extension of validity into Northern Ireland.

According to the Dept of Social and Community Affairs Press Release the situation in the republic is that work is "Progressing" on the introduction of a suitable card to replace the present Pass in the interests of improving security and ease of use etc etc etc....

As Colmd sez....Irony.....Are you Joking...show me an Ironic Irish Politician ????

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MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	Pensioners - and automatic ticket checking I've seen a few problems with people trying to board DARTs via the automatic barriers with OAP passes. Is there any move afoot to get Smart Passes ? I know the new "All Ireland Travel Pass" is a Senior SmartPass. Is there a plan to use these with the new barriers?

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07-03-2007, 18:49	#2
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Anyone with a social welfare pass is required to present the pass at the ticket office to be issued the correct ticket. Its been like that for 10+ years Thus if a OAP has a ticket there should be no difference compared to previous. Barriers are smart card enabled

07-03-2007, 19:40	#3
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	It's a bit of a problem when you now have a situation where staff are assuming that everyone can use the vending machines though. i.e. there are unmanned (even if not officially so) stations. Several stations have also opened alternative entrances which are entirely unmanned and have the ticket vending machines and automatic barriers (either of the new or old variety). It seems reasonable that OAPs should be able to get the Senior SmartPass and use it at DART stations. It's available, for free, as a replacement for the existing Free Travel Pass and can be applied for via any local social welfare or citizens info office. or by calling some 1890 number. It's also accepted by Translink in NI (and must be touched on a smartcard reader on busses etc)

07-03-2007, 20:01	#4
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	Plus as a smartpass usage could be monitored for signs of abuse...

07-03-2007, 21:20	#5
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Smartpass only works up north at the moment Its simple you need a ticket to travel, it also requires the pass holder to go face to face with a member staff If a station is unstaffed OAP is at no disadvantage to a regular passenger

12-03-2007, 19:43	#6
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	Other than that they can't have their pass recognised by the Ticket Vending Machine and thus will not be able to get past the barriers. That's a big disadvantage.

12-03-2007, 19:47	#7
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Station unstaffed barriers are left open

12-03-2007, 19:49	#8
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	The situations I've seen involve some little old lady standing at an unfriendly hatch going "HELLOOOOO? Anyone there?.." and turnstiles firmly locked. One said she pays the child minimum fair to defeat the barriers, then presents her pass on board

14-03-2007, 09:18	#10
Colm Donoghue Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 873	Ya think that's irony Victor, how about the Agency to Procure integrated smartcards in Dublin rolling out TWO different non-integrated smartcard systems....

19-03-2007, 21:08	#11
alek smart Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 144	Hey Hey Hey.....Stad Nomeid a chairde ghaeil... Lets get something quite clear here..... The Senior Smart Pass referred to in other postings here has NOTHING whatever to do with the Republic of Ireland or its Public Transport operators. This exotic device is issued to Qualifying UK Citizens resident in Northern Ireland AND to qualifying Citizens of the Republic of Ireland who APPLY for the Free Travel Concession Extension of validity into Northern Ireland. According to the Dept of Social and Community Affairs Press Release the situation in the republic is that work is "Progressing" on the introduction of a suitable card to replace the present Pass in the interests of improving security and ease of use etc etc etc.... As Colmd sez....Irony.....Are you Joking...show me an Ironic Irish Politician ????