Galway-Limerick intermediate timetable

[Colm Moore]

Did someone have a timetable for the intermediate stations from Galway-Limerick? I know that Galway, Athenry and Ennis-Limerick are listed publicly.

[comcor]

Sixmilebridge is listed in the Dublin-Limerick/Ennis timetable

http://www.irishrail.ie/your_journey...erick%2010.pdf

[comcor]

A day after this thread appears here, a timetable appears on the Irish Rail website...

http://www.irishrail.ie/your_journey...alway%2010.pdf

[newbahn]

Guys,

Sorry this may be a silly question but is the journey time on this route not really slow???

[Mark Gleeson]

Of course its slow, but no one listened when everyone was saying that as apparently it was anti west of Ireland.

[finnyus]

Originally Posted by comcor

A day after this thread appears here, a timetable appears on the Irish Rail website...

http://www.irishrail.ie/your_journey...alway%2010.pdf

Anyone know what current passenger numbers are like for the 06:45 Ennis - Limerick? If this is well used, could I.E. not start the service from Gort? 06:15 Gort - Limerick. This would require the 06:00 Limerick - Galway service to start at least 30 minutes earlier. 08:39 arrival into Limerick is not the best arrival time into Limerick from stations north of Ennis for commuters (including students) - they still have to get from Colbert Station!

I know comparing the WRC and the Midleton line, is possibly like comparing chalk and cheese, due to population density, etc... BUT Midleton's initial service frequency (including arrival times in to Kent station) are one of the factors of its success (others being clockface timetable).

For a lot of people, the WRC will be a new service (not having experienced the last train services on the WRC). How can five services a day and this timetable make anyone want to get out of their cars?

Commuters need some form of flexibility: Someone commuting from Gort to Limerick everyday decides to take the train - the need to make sure that work/college times are within 08:39 - 18:05, otherwise the train is no use to them - flexitime does not seem to be part of I.E.

I am very much pro-rail, unfortunately I.E. does not seem to see the possible potential of this new line.

[finnyus]

Originally Posted by newbahn

Guys,

Sorry this may be a silly question but is the journey time on this route not really slow???

Ennis - Gort by rail is ~20miles (its not more than 20 miles) and takes 28 minutes - speed: 43 miles per hour?

[comcor]

The speeds are unbelievable really.

Aside from the 2 hours to get from Limerick to Galway, I've long thought that to be a success it would need to be part of a Galway-Limerick-Cork or Galway-Limerick-Waterford route. But the best times offered on these routes are 3 3/4 hours and 5 hours respectively. Both also involve 2 changes of train.

Between the speed and the lack of connectivity, you could get the impression that someone wants it to fail.

[finnyus]

Originally Posted by comcor

Between the speed and the lack of connectivity, you could get the impression that someone wants it to fail.

Timetable is one justification of that!

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by finnyus

Ennis - Gort by rail is ~20miles (its not more than 20 miles) and takes 28 minutes - speed: 43 miles per hour?

Originally Posted by comcor

The speeds are unbelievable really.

Aside from the 2 hours to get from Limerick to Galway, I've long thought that to be a success it would need to be part of a Galway-Limerick-Cork or Galway-Limerick-Waterford route. But the best times offered on these routes are 3 3/4 hours and 5 hours respectively. Both also involve 2 changes of train.

Between the speed and the lack of connectivity, you could get the impression that someone wants it to fail.

Even providing through services Galway-Limerick Junction would be a big improvement. While the WRC provides complimentary Galway-Cork connections, it doesn't make vast changes. I'm not sure if it makes any real difference to Galway-Waterford as it misses the morning Limerick Junction-Waterford train.

[dowlingm]

IE spent 106m on the line to bring it back to 50mph. This was obviously a compromise figure between spending nothing and spending 200m or more to make sufficient improvements to safely operate at 60-75mph and retrofit those improvements to Ennis-Limerick. It's a political line, as long as it exists on a map the politicians have bought off the West.

[Colm Moore]

Some of the line can only be described as undulating, whiles earthworks on a large scale can be relatively cheap, potentially one would have been into earthworks on a truly huge scale, involving buyin parts of surrounding fields.

Of course, it would avoid the problem of regular flooding.

[dowlingm]

There is what looks like an elevation diagram in this picture (below the track map)

If that is what it looks like it bears out what Victor just said.

[finnyus]

Was just looking at the printed timetable of the Galway - Limerick services and the online journey planner for Athenry - Dublin services.

It also does not seem possible to make proper day trip to the capital with the Galway - Limerick timetable!

Note: In total, you are limited to 9 services to Dublin, 7 services to Gort.

Earliest train from Gort - Dublin: 07:32* (via Limerick) or 07:33 (via Athenry)
Latest train from Gort - Dublin: 15:21 (via Athenry) or 18:41* (via Limerick)

Earliest train from Dublin - Gort: 07:00 (via Limerick) or 07:30* (via Athenry)
Latest train from Dublin - Gort: 11:30 (via Athenry) or 15:25* (via Limerick)

* quicker option

Information
Gort to Dublin Possibilities:

• via Athenry (Monday - Saturday)
  1. Dept Gort 07:33 - arr Athenry 08:05 (73mins wait) dept Athenry 09:18 - arr Dublin 11:47
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 4hrs 14mins
       • Total number of changes: 1
  2. Dept Gort 10:41 - arr Athenry 11:12 (6min transfer time) dept Athenry 11:18 - arr Dublin 13:40
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 2hrs 59mins
       • Total number of changes: 1
  3. Dept Gort 13:01 - arr Athenry 13:32 (106min transfer time) dept Athenry 15:18 - arr Dublin 17:47
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 4hrs 46mins
       • Total number of changes: 1
     • Note: Previous Dublin-bound train departed Athenry at 13:18 (14 minutes prior to the arrival of the train from Limerick)
     • Note: Previous Dublin-bound train (at 13:18) does not cross a Dublin to Galway train at Athenry at this time, so one platform is free at Athenry
  4. Dept Gort 15:21 - arr Athenry 15:52 (136min transfer time) dept Athenry 18:18 - arr Dublin 20:45
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 5hrs 24mins
       • Total number of changes: 1
  5. Dept Gort 19:11 - arr Athenry 19:42 (no same-day connection to Dublin - next train eastbound is the 22:28* to Athlone)
     • * 22:28 to Athlone is Monday - Friday only
• via Limerick (Monday - Saturday)
  1. Dept Gort 07:32 - arr Limerick 08:39 (21min transfer time) dept Limerick 09:00 - arr Limerick Jctn 09:28 (6min transfer time) dept Limerick Jctn 09:34 - arr Dublin 11:15
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 3hrs 43mins
       • Total number of changes: 2
  2. Dept Gort 10:41 - arr Limerick 11:48 (12min transfer time) dept Limerick 12:00 - arr Limerick Jctn 12:27 (6min transfer time) dept Limerick Jctn 12:31 - arr Dublin 14:25
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 3hrs 44mins
       • Total number of changes: 2
  3. Dept Gort 13:01 - arr Limerick 14:08 (47min transfer time) dept Limerick 14:55 - arr Limerick Jctn 15:22 (11min transfer time) dept Limerick Jctn 15:33 - arr Dublin 17:20
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 4hrs 19mins
       • Total number of changes: 2
  4. Dept Gort 15:21 - arr Limerick 16:28 (27min transfer time) dept Limerick 16:55 - arr Limerick Jctn 17:22 (10min transfer time) dept Limerick Jctn 17:32 - arr Dublin 19:30
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 4hrs 9mins
       • Total number of changes: 2
  5. Dept Gort 18:41 - arr Limerick 19:24 (46min transfer time) dept Limerick 20:10 - arr Limerick Jctn 20:39 (51min transfer time) dept Limerick Jctn 21:30 - arr Dublin 23:23
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 4hrs 42mins
       • Total number of changes: 2

Dublin to Gort Possibilities:

• via Athenry (Monday - Saturday)
  1. Dept Dublin 07:30 - arr Athenry 09:52 (11mins wait) dept Athenry 10:03 - arr Dublin 10:41
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 3hrs 11mins
       • Total number of changes: 1
  2. Dept Dublin 09:30 - arr Athenry 11:49 (37mins wait) dept Athenry 12:26 - arr Dublin 13:01
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 3hrs 31mins
       • Total number of changes: 1
  3. Dept Dublin 11:30 - arr Athenry 13:47 (59mins wait) dept Athenry 14:46 - arr Dublin 15:21
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 3hrs 51mins
       • Total number of changes: 1
  4. Dept Dublin 15:30 - arr Athenry 17:47 (no same-day connection to any station towards Limerick)
     • Note: Previous Athenry to Limerick train departed Athenry at 17:41 (6 minutes prior to the arrival of the train from Dublin)
     • Note: The 15:30 Dublin to Galway train does not cross a Galway to Dublin train at Athenry at this time, so one platform is free at Athenry
• via Limerick (Monday - Saturday)
  1. Dept Dublin 07:00 - arr Limerick Jctn 08:44 (3min transfer time) dept Limerick Jctn 08:47 - arr Limerick 09:16 (19min transfer time) dept Limerick 09:35 - arr Gort 10:41
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 3hrs 41mins
       • Total number of changes: 2
  2. Dept Dublin 09:00 - arr Limerick Jctn 10:48 (2min transfer time) dept Limerick Jctn 10:50 - arr Limerick 11:19 (36min transfer time) dept Limerick 11:55 - arr Gort 13:01
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 4hrs 01mins
       • Total number of changes: 2
  3. Dept Dublin 12:00 - arr Limerick Jctn 13:41 (3min transfer time) dept Limerick Jctn 13:44 - arr Limerick 14:10 (5min transfer time) dept Limerick 14:15 - arr Gort 15:21
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 3hrs 21mins
       • Total number of changes: 2
  4. Dept Dublin 15:25 - arr Limerick 17:48 (17min transfer time) dept Limerick 18:05 - arr Gort 19:11
     • Stats:
       • Total time: 3hrs 46mins
       • Total number of changes: 2

Sunday Summary

• via Athenry
  • 3ish connections available at Athenry to stations towards Limerick from
  • 14:30 Dublin - Galway misses the Limerick train at Athenry by 6 minutes. The 14:30 does not cross any train at Athenry at this time. Passengers on this train would need to wait 2+ hours at Athenry to get the 18:57 from Athenry to Limerick.
  • 3ish connections available from Limerick at Athenry for Dublin-bound trains
    trains originating in Dublin
    • transfer times at Athenry are ~40mins, ~60mins and ~30mins
• via Limerick
  • 3 connections available from Limerick towards Athenry from trains originating in Dublin
    • transfer times at Limerick are between 17 and 25mins
  • 3 connections available at Limerick from stations towards Athenry for Dublin-bound trains
    • transfer times at Athenry are ~12mins, ~33mins and ~11mins

E & O E!

After reading this, I have concluded that I have too much time on my hands !

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by finnyus

After reading this, I have concluded that I have too much time on my hands !

Then you'll be able to do the reverse timetable for services to Galway.

[Colm Moore]

Map

[finnyus]

Originally Posted by Victor

Then you'll be able to do the reverse timetable for services to Galway.

Full details of these can be found on the Galway - Limerick timetable.

Great excel timetable though! And you should submit the map to I.E. because the actual pixel quality of it is far better than the one on the I.E. website.

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by finnyus

And you should submit the map to I.E. because the actual pixel quality of it is far better than the one on the I.E. website.

[Mark Gleeson]

There is some class of issue with the height and width trust me he has tried to get this sorted for ages but its never just right

[lasno]

Tried to book online Limerick/Galway on March 31st. When I select train and hit "proceed to reservation" I get the following reply "Your selection cannot be purchased online. You have selected ticket only for all parts of the journey. A P (premier/first class) or S (standard) must be ticked for at least one part of the journey".
Now this service is operated by a railcar so only a ticket can be purchased.
They need to do some more maintenance on the website.
Also €28.50 each way seems a bit expensive.