Navan Rail link - Phase 2

comcor · 09-01-2020, 16:48

Whatever about Navan, I'm guessing a reopening to Kingscourt only makes sense if the population of Kingscourt and Nobber surges into the 10K-15K range when they are currently around 2.5K and 1K respectively.

Now, considering what we have seen in Louth and Meath in the last few decades, that's not impossible, especially if they get designated as growth zones, but has anyone consulted with the locals on whether they would prefer the railway to remain shut or explosive population growth in their towns.

Traincustomer · 11-01-2020, 12:58

In the very unlikely event that the line to Kingscourt reopened I believe it would serve as a railhead for the broader area rather than just serving Nobber and Kingscourt per se.

Bailieborough (c. 2.7K), Carrickmacross (c. 5K) and Shercock (c. 600) are towns in the near vicinity to Kingscourt.

Of course thanks to the strike at the turn of this century the line ceased to carry freight which would have strengthened the case.

Small villages and hamlets along the route such as Wilkinstown and Castletown KP could be targeted for development but, as has been mentioned on this forum before, is this model of long distance commuting to Dublin sustainable?

Goods · 30-01-2020, 09:28

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...ance-1.4155424

The lobby meeting on reopening the railway infrastructure around Navan is long overdue. Such a network could never be built today this is a national asset that can be used to reduce traffic into Dublin and ease the lot of commuters who begin their train journey from M3 parkway station instead of Navan - just do it!

James Shields · 30-01-2020, 15:42

I hope this is successful, as I agree the situation on the M3 is unsustainable.

However, every long distince commuter railway is testamont to the failure of successive governments to bring sufficient employment and education opportunities to surrounding towns (as well as sufficient residential opportunities to Dublin).

We should be in a position where we are campaigning for a proper Metro network for Dublin and improvements to Intercity and Commuter services outside Dublin, not looking for connecting more dormatory towns where people can spend hours every day commuting to Dublin from.

Mark Gleeson · 30-01-2020, 16:42

Navan is about item 30 on a list of priorities

We can't get to Navan until after DART underground happens, isn't space in the city centre to take the demand

It would be 1200 boarding each AM based on IE's model

That said I would challenge the demand, I was one of only 23 on a bus last week leaving Dublin at 1810 for Navan...

dowlingm · 30-01-2020, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Navan is about item 30 on a list of priorities

We can't get to Navan until after DART underground happens, isn't space in the city centre to take the demand

It would be 1200 boarding each AM based on IE's model

That said I would challenge the demand, I was one of only 23 on a bus last week leaving Dublin at 1810 for Navan...

Getting 50mph Tara traffic off the Belfast mainline (and allowing the Drogheda-Navan branch to be put into neglect and rustage) would be handy though, no?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...mine-jztbzf6g5

Goods · 30-01-2020, 23:44

It would be great to think that there is actually a list of transport priorities. Experience shows us that policy decisions often respond to the strength of the lobby. Politically Navan railway line has become an issue mainly because it was planned that the M3 line would be extended to Navan and then the plan was dropped with so much more post 2008. Meanwhile motorway building continues apace despite the climate impact.
Dormitory towns are here to stay the model will not change its the same around the world you have bigger and bigger cities and the surrounding population are drawn to the centre. Railway is a good option

11-01-2020, 12:58	#2
Traincustomer Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: ar an traein Posts: 600	In the very unlikely event that the line to Kingscourt reopened I believe it would serve as a railhead for the broader area rather than just serving Nobber and Kingscourt per se. Bailieborough (c. 2.7K), Carrickmacross (c. 5K) and Shercock (c. 600) are towns in the near vicinity to Kingscourt. Of course thanks to the strike at the turn of this century the line ceased to carry freight which would have strengthened the case. Small villages and hamlets along the route such as Wilkinstown and Castletown KP could be targeted for development but, as has been mentioned on this forum before, is this model of long distance commuting to Dublin sustainable? Last edited by Traincustomer : 11-01-2020 at 13:02. Reason: typo

30-01-2020, 09:28	#3
Goods Regular Poster Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 117	Navan railway link https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...ance-1.4155424 The lobby meeting on reopening the railway infrastructure around Navan is long overdue. Such a network could never be built today this is a national asset that can be used to reduce traffic into Dublin and ease the lot of commuters who begin their train journey from M3 parkway station instead of Navan - just do it!

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Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Navan is about item 30 on a list of priorities We can't get to Navan until after DART underground happens, isn't space in the city centre to take the demand It would be 1200 boarding each AM based on IE's model That said I would challenge the demand, I was one of only 23 on a bus last week leaving Dublin at 1810 for Navan... __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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09-01-2020, 16:48	#1
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	Whatever about Navan, I'm guessing a reopening to Kingscourt only makes sense if the population of Kingscourt and Nobber surges into the 10K-15K range when they are currently around 2.5K and 1K respectively. Now, considering what we have seen in Louth and Meath in the last few decades, that's not impossible, especially if they get designated as growth zones, but has anyone consulted with the locals on whether they would prefer the railway to remain shut or explosive population growth in their towns.

30-01-2020, 15:42	#4
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	I hope this is successful, as I agree the situation on the M3 is unsustainable. However, every long distince commuter railway is testamont to the failure of successive governments to bring sufficient employment and education opportunities to surrounding towns (as well as sufficient residential opportunities to Dublin). We should be in a position where we are campaigning for a proper Metro network for Dublin and improvements to Intercity and Commuter services outside Dublin, not looking for connecting more dormatory towns where people can spend hours every day commuting to Dublin from.

30-01-2020, 23:44	#7
Goods Regular Poster Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 117	It would be great to think that there is actually a list of transport priorities. Experience shows us that policy decisions often respond to the strength of the lobby. Politically Navan railway line has become an issue mainly because it was planned that the M3 line would be extended to Navan and then the plan was dropped with so much more post 2008. Meanwhile motorway building continues apace despite the climate impact. Dormitory towns are here to stay the model will not change its the same around the world you have bigger and bigger cities and the surrounding population are drawn to the centre. Railway is a good option