Ireland 2040 - Rail Elements.

[Jamie2k9]

Originally Posted by ACustomer

The obvious solution to the paradox of overcrowding and low revenue is to limit the FTP scheme to off-peak travel. In practice this would identify a limited number of trains ineligible for FTP. There used to be a limitation of this sort on Dublin Bus, but the late Seamus Brennan was regarded as some sort of hero when he got rid of it.

With a minority Government and a useless minister for transport I can't see any such move happening (cue outrage and wailing on Joe Duffy). There is also the little problem of enforcement, and given the slack culture of revenue protection on Irish Rail that is a very real problem.

The current Goverment couldn't possibly even consider it. Its a move that would be far to costly. However, they should reform the system in terms of eligibility. Its stricter now but not good enough.

There is an increasing trend of seat reservations for FTP holders which I guess is a positive thing and will continue.

Your right Irish Rail's revenue protection is also not good enough in terms of policing it. Yes they do checks however you can roll up in Heuston or any station and purchase two free tickets and there is no evidence a second person is even traveling.

There is also this "flash the pass" mentality and staff are not really checking it for dates etc. Its unbelievable how brazen some people are and right under the nose of staff who don't appear bothered.

Morning and evening peak are wedged to the extent that its time to increase the online fares or significantly reduce the number of seats available for online sales.

Online booking has rapidly increased since the new system and you have significant amounts of students and people from commuter towns booking.

I don't think IE should change the online fare structure because it won't solve anything just damage them to much.

A working reservation system is the way to go, while improved its far from prefect.

[platypusparcel]

more comments on lack of underground in 2040

my emphasis

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...able-3q8djxgp8

[Mark Gleeson]

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[platypusparcel]

Sorry mate, won't happen again, worth mentioning the new stops in Cabra, Glasnevin and the Docklands

Additionally Metro North preferred route is here

http://www.metrolink.ie/#/map

You could almost do cut and fill along the ballymun road and swords bypass with that alignment

[comcor]

I presume they are planning to cut and cover in Swords. The route there certainly seems designed to keep costs down rather than be of use to commuters or businesses in the town.

[platypusparcel]

Originally Posted by comcor

I presume they are planning to cut and cover in Swords. The route there certainly seems designed to keep costs down rather than be of use to commuters or businesses in the town.

Just had a look at the engineering drawings

seems to be elevated!

[James Shields]

So it looks like the Charliemont Metro station is sub-surface, and the connection to the Green line is between Darthmouth Road and Northbrook Road. That gives about 80m to get from tunnel mouth to elevated level. Is that possible?

Also, I wonder how deep the tunnel needs to go under the canal, and how deep the Charlemont station needs to be. I would assume stations on a steep incline aren't permitted.

I see it's now going to be on the East side of Sephen's green. I guess another Green line connection isn't important, but it also could be problematic for an integrated Stephen's Green Station if DART Underground does ever get resurrected.

The one change from Metro North I'm in fovour of is the moving of the Maynooth Line interchange to Whitworth. This creates the possibility of connecting to both surface rail lines.

But I think connecting to the Green line is a mistake. It will create all kinds of operational problems in the long run, and keep the whole line from running at full capacity.

I also think building the underground stations with 60m platforms is rediculously short sighted. You can't just tack on an extra 20m to the platforms the way you can with surface platforms. They need to allow for future expansion from the start and build the platforms at least 100m long.

[platypusparcel]

Originally Posted by James Shields

So it looks like the Charliemont Metro station is sub-surface, and the connection to the Green line is between Darthmouth Road and Northbrook Road. That gives about 80m to get from tunnel mouth to elevated level. Is that possible?

Also, I wonder how deep the tunnel needs to go under the canal, and how deep the Charlemont station needs to be. I would assume stations on a steep incline aren't permitted.

Engineering drawings suggest its ok

Originally Posted by James Shields

I also think building the underground stations with 60m platforms is rediculously short sighted. You can't just tack on an extra 20m to the platforms the way you can with surface platforms. They need to allow for future expansion from the start and build the platforms at least 100m long.

Crossrail in London are 200m

[Ireland trains]

It seems like the NTA are all ready trying to forget about the dart expansion as all they mention are 3 new stations.
Irish rail need more trains and they just need to get on an order the trains. Once/if the lines are eletrified then that would free up lots of DMU trains

[Mark Gleeson]

Charlemont situation is going to be very messy

The line will have to be 3m below road level and then rise to 5m above, so 8m, 1 in 25 give you 200m needed and since platforms have to be level all this happens after the stop, so going to result in one or more permanent local road closures.

Some fairly ugly CPO here

Note the alignment avoids the former Irish Nationwide building which of course is being knocked and rebuilt, of course it would have been so much easier to do the station and the building together...

The tie in will require the demolition of the existing embankment so there won't be any Green line trams beyond Beechwood for a long time while this is done

I have very little trust in the drawings they are very much draft, didn't see anyone out there taking core samples to investigate the ground conditions