[article] Marketing executive awarded €16k after Trinity Ball revellers step into mid

[Thomas J Stamp]

a system like Luas where the majority get €45 as opposed to €100 fine which is usually at the discretion of the officers issuing the fine. From experience of seeing people on the Luas, more often than not people accept it and there is no attitude issues for the most part where as €100 causes problems.

We get complaints about LUAS as well.

Speaking of which -and anecdotal evidence is the worst kind - there are a lot of complaints on twitter in the last month of fainting on the green line in the morning peak. Cant remember seeing that many before.

[Jamie2k9]

believe it or not, you are allowed to "stick your nose in", as we often hear when there are stories of people being attacked followed by replies of "everyone just walked by, why didn't they help out"

I think a degree of reality here needed here, yes RPU will be harsh (perhaps a bit to much) but those people in the wrong (mistake or not) are often not as polite as they may be in an email to RUI.

in the case under appeal, the award was for false imprisonment as she was detained in an effort to get her to delete a photograph. Again, an irish rail official is an ordinary Joe same as you or I with the same powers and lack of them. if this isnt a false imprisonment then it means that i can pin you to a wall next time i see you taking a pic of me in the street and legally demand you delete it.

this isnt a case where the IE man was asking the lady for her ticket or other things he is lawfully entitled to do.

it would be interesting to see if this is to get to a high court hearing or is quietly settled

Don't really care about the case but rather the 16,000, thankfully IE have decided to appeal and whatever happens hopefully the outcome will mean a much lower pay out.

We get complaints about LUAS as well.

Of course you do. Reality is passengers are in the wrong 90% of the time so they just need to deal with it.

Speaking of which -and anecdotal evidence is the worst kind - there are a lot of complaints on twitter in the last month of fainting on the green line in the morning peak. Cant remember seeing that many before.

Yes since the LCC opened G Line frequency has been reduced and extra trams are going into service only now.

If its not that its delays all day on one or both lines and they have had no real time in most stations for the last week or so.

[Mark Gleeson]

I've witnessed the RPU try the heavy treatment routine, demand details of a third party etc.

While authorised officers (i.e. ticket inspectors, management and some others) have the power to detain under the transport act, this applies only to a very limited range of situations relating to the railway, trespass, fare evasion etc.

Staff are under very clear orders that while they legally are empowered to detain fare evaders they have been told by management not to. Staff have correctly detained persons on several occasions, two incidents in Bray come to mind, the guy who went on a window smashing binge was detained by a driver and station staff, also at Bray again a driver and station staff tackled 3 fare evaders who tried to make a run for it (driver ended up in hospital afterwards). In both cases the gardai arrested the individuals and there was a successful prosecution.

[Jamie2k9]

On third party, don't they usually do that if they feel they are been lied to?

It all comes back to the same problem and that is no Garda Transport Division to operate alongside RPU and security teams in the GDA. Body camera's wouldn't be a bad idea for RPU either.

[Thomas J Stamp]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

On third party, don't they usually do that if they feel they are been lied to?

It all comes back to the same problem and that is no Garda Transport Division to operate alongside RPU and security teams in the GDA. Body camera's wouldn't be a bad idea for RPU either.

doesnt matter if they feel they ahve been lied to or not, they dont have the authority for a third party or mobile phone details or anything.

we have been campaigning for a transport police for a long time. its not beyond current resources.

Don't really care about the case but rather the 16,000

well, there would have been no money if there hadnt been a false imprisonment.

[James Shields]

I'm all for transport police, but my understanding from other countries is that the purpose of transport police is passenger safety and crime prevention. Revenue protection would still be IE's responsibility, wouldn't it?

I'm sure transport police officers would work with RPU staff, but I suspect they would spend as much of their time telling RPU, "no, you're not allowed to do that", as they do detaining passengers who've broken the law.

[Thomas J Stamp]

The awareness that such a thing exists and could turn up randomly/at a moments notice would be the general deterrence and mood setter.

And the transport police could have validly arrested her under the public order act.