Rumours of Waterford station downgrade

[James Howard]

You can also end up in the ridiculous situation where safety concerns drive up costs or inconvenience people to the extent where they end up travelling by more dangerous means. The overall risk of the journey ends up being higher than it would have been with the original unsafe practices in place.

There is an oft-quoted statistic where more people died in the US after 9-11 in car accidents due to avoiding air travel than actually died in 9-11.

On the other hand even with all of the much-vaunted safety practices, Irish Rail have had a few near misses and one in particular where only blind luck prevented massive loss of life.

[Jamie2k9]

Don't know what the final plan for Waterford is but it appears that there is no intention of re-instating the double line on the approach from Waterford West. I think it was the intention to re-instate at least the Dublin end of platform 3/4 and to put a barrier in place between the cliff face and the station.

It was lifted a few weeks ago, a set of points just after West (as if coming from Dublin/Limerick side)

I am not a geologist but I imagine the risk of further rock fall is no different to that during the last 110 years of passenger operation.

Agree and regular inspections would go a long way!

There is a great inclination nowadays to subject passengers/customers/users to disruption rather than expose the responsible authorities to a kick up the rear if something goes wrong. To a great extent the public, the media, the judiciary are to blame for the current approach to safety issues and the disruption and costs associated with it.

Safety is vital and railways have historically had a very good safety record for passengers before the blossoming of the modern safety industry. I am not at all dismissing the many initiatives that have made the railway a safer place for employees but something tells me common sense is sometimes lacking.

Agree about safety but the current set up isn't ideal and to be honest it put people under pressure to clear the platform.

The real issue is they have had almost a year and a half and to be honest they don't seem to have a clue what they plan to do.

Anyway here is the pic....

[berneyarms]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

It was lifted a few weeks ago, a set of points just after West (as if coming from Dublin/Limerick side)

Agree and regular inspections would go a long way!

Agree about safety but the current set up isn't ideal and to be honest it put people under pressure to clear the platform.

The real issue is they have had almost a year and a half and to be honest they don't seem to have a clue what they plan to do.

Anyway here is the pic....

I think it is more the fact that there is damn all money available to spend on projects like that.

As Inniskeen states, my understanding was that a barrier wall between the tracks and the cliff face was to be built, but at the moment there is no money to do it and whatever associated trackwork/resignalling would be needed.

[Jamie2k9]

I think it is more the fact that there is damn all money available to spend on projects like that.

As Inniskeen states, my understanding was that a barrier wall between the tracks and the cliff face was to be built, but at the moment there is no money to do it and whatever associated trackwork/resignalling would be needed.

Dam all money, "Plunkett station Waterford will see in excess of €1 million being spent to both clear up previous rock-falls and protect against future similar occurrences."

How much did the platform extension costs, how much are they wasting on railings which may be more appropriate between the tracks and cliff to stop other falls if they happened Remember it's not as if IE are totally funding it from within their finances...

I'm well aware of their financial situation evidenced by 2 other landslide repairs/risks which had to wait until 2015 budget was drawn up as they were to late for 2014's.

[berneyarms]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

Dam all money, "Plunkett station Waterford will see in excess of €1 million being spent to both clear up previous rock-falls and protect against future similar occurrences."

How much did the platform extension costs, how much are they wasting on railings which may be more appropriate between the tracks and cliff to stop other falls if they happened Remember it's not as if IE are funding it from within their finances...

I'm well aware of their financial situation evidenced by 2 other landslide repairs/risks which had to wait until 2015 budget was drawn up as they were to late for 2014's.

Well compared with the associated trackwork and resignalling, I imagine railings and a platform extension is peanuts.

As to the €1m, we don't know when that money is being made available.

With the public sector, it's not as simple as saying we need €x now - the money comes from central government when the funding envelope is available.

I suspect that IE are doing what work is affordable at present that maximises flexibility in terms of train lengths.

[Jamie2k9]

As to the €1m, we don't know when that money is being made available.

With the public sector, it's not as simple as saying we need €x now - the money comes from central government when the funding envelope is available.

I suspect that IE are doing what work is affordable at present that maximises flexibility in terms of train lengths.

That 1 million was given and spent already apparently...as for general funding well IE got 2.7 million to fix a tiny roof in Cork and got 10 million to upgrade works between Heuston-Portlaoise which is just renewing stones and not tracks. I'm sure they could of gotten the price to build a defense for the rocks..

2.7 million for Cork is an outrageous sum of money for what has being out i place there.

One wonders how hard IE tried and if they delivered a costed plan for the works to the Dep of Transport and what they concluded about the stations location which was reviewed last year.

Questions, Questions and reluctance of IE to disclose their plans or reasons for not reopening.

[Inniskeen]

It wouldn't surprise me if IR had already spent much more than €1m at Waterford re-aligning track and extending platform 5. While the current arrangement is not ideal in that there is no way of crossing up and down Dublin trains south of Ballyhale, it has not proved a major impediment to the very modest pattern of operation at Waterford nowadays. Yes there have been delays on Fridays and yes there is congestion in the evening because Health and Safety considerations have apparently decreed that sets must be cleaned by contractors staff while at the station's only platform. Such personnel are not allowed enter the yard and the powers that be apparently see no issue leaving trains sitting at Waterford West as a consequence - such are the priorities of modern railway operation.