2013 Heuston & Regional Draft Timetable

Jamie2k9 · 03-02-2013, 21:18

Well we arrived late as usual, anything up to 200 passengers standing. From either drivers door through the train people standing, sitting on floor, tables, toilets and baggage all over the place. Anybody who was sitting couldn't get up and go toilets without causing lots of bother. Trolly service was unable to operate at all. A good few passengers got off in Carlow and payed for the Bus to Dublin while staff at the station spend 8 minutes trying to squeese everybody on the train. Air condition may as well of being off, heat was unreal and would only of being a matter of time before somebody would of fainted.

Bus Eireann will do good business next week from students. Irish Rail had a few pictures to tweeted but of course the twitter account goes into ignore mode.

Jamie2k9 · 04-02-2013, 12:53

Irish Rail station manager in Waterford claims there was a mechanical fault on the 14.10 in Heustion and a spare train couldn't be found (imagine that...!) to operate the service at full capacity. Now no staff know anything about this alleged mechanical fault on Sunday evening and no steps were taken to deal with passenger numbers.

Now I find this very hard to believe as an extra 3 car set appeared in Waterford yesterday evening which wasn't there the previous Sunday when there was no mechanical fault on the 14.10 service. From the timetable point of view it was impossible for this second 3 car set to be in Waterford unless Irish Rail decided to run thie service empty to Waterford...

I put the question of why there was not a bus service in place to deal with the expected numbers but didn't get a definite answer and added that Mayo passengers received one. I also said that if this was the Cork line there would be no problems funding a replacement train and it would not of being allowed to operate at reduced capacity. Also no real answer.

Plenty of covering up of the situation and slightly conflicting stories form both ends. Overall he wasn't happy with what when on and there will be some words in Dublin over it during the week and asured people who he had being talking to over the issue that it was a one off and will not happen again.

plant43 · 04-02-2013, 19:31

1835 was 3 carriages again this evening, plenty of bikes and luggage in the hallways.

My guess is that Irish Rail are trying to "encourage" Newbridge commuters onto the 1825 or 1855 train.

ACustomer · 05-02-2013, 14:17

The problem of the 1835 being only a 3-car set is evidence of really bad management: for a start it's advertised as 1st and 2nd class, which should imply a 6-car set.

Since the cancellation of the 1650 ex Waterford, the timetable is very unbalanced. The 1315 from Dublin arrives in Waterford at 1525, followed by 4 other arrivals (the Down 1510, 1640, 1735 and 1835). There is only one departure from Waterford after 1525, the 1820. Which raises the question: how does the 1315 from Dublin get back: attached to the 1820 from Waterford, which is the return working of the 1510 ex Dublin (?) - which only can happen the the 1510 is a 3-car. Failing this, the only way it can get back is the next morning, but that implies that at least one of the 1640, 1735or 1935 must be a 3-car.

Of course there is the possibility of an ECS return - which I think can be ruled out.

Jamie2k9 · 05-02-2013, 15:13

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Since the cancellation of the 1650 ex Waterford, the timetable is very unbalanced. The 1315 from Dublin arrives in Waterford at 1525, followed by 4 other arrivals (the Down 1510, 1640, 1735 and 1835). There is only one departure from Waterford after 1525, the 1820. Which raises the question: how does the 1315 from Dublin get back: attached to the 1820 from Waterford, which is the return working of the 1510 ex Dublin (?) - which only can happen the the 1510 is a 3-car. Failing this, the only way it can get back is the next morning, but that implies that at least one of the 1640, 1735or 1935 must be a 3-car.

THe 13.05 service up is where the problem lies on Mondays. THe 13.15 down service operates it everyday expect Mondays.

Saturdays
13.15 3 peice - operates 07.10 on Mondays
16.40 6 peice
17.35 3 peice (only on sat)
18.35 3 peice

Sundays
09.05 operated by 16.40 set
12.40 operated by 09.10 down set
15.10 operated by 17.35 and 18.35 sets
18.05 operated by 14.10 sets
17.45 and 18.40 service are 6 peice.

IE wanted to cut costs by splitting the 14.10 service as it would save them running the 07.25 down on Monday as a 6 peice and splitting them in Waterford.

There is some very simple solutions to the problems but simple and IE don't mix very well.

13.15 is 6 peice on Fridays and 3 car set runs empty to Heuston. That could stay in Waterford until Monday (its not as if there ICR's are streched).

18.25 up on Saturday is split and 3 car peice left to operate the 13.05 on Monday.

Run the 17.35 or 18.35 as a 6 peice.

Then all problems would be solved but there will be a extra stock movment no matter how IE look at it and no getting around it. If IE want to stop wasting money then why are they running an empty 3 car set to Heuston on Fridays and another example is the 06.30 from Galway being a 6 peice on Saturdays to get it back to Heuston.

Jamie2k9 · 15-02-2013, 01:37

Irish Rail have confirmed that the 18.35 will be restored to 6 carriages soon. About time but it took plenty of people to complain and the delay the other day had passengers standing for over 2 hours and only good part after a long period of time stopped in Celbridge the driver opened the doors so people could get some air. Now part of the decision could be loadings on the 07.10.

Mark Gleeson · 15-02-2013, 08:56

No they haven't, not as of 08:05 this morning. There is a lot of rumor ongoing

We are awaiting a new version of the Waterford line PDF timetable which will clarify the situation

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Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	No they haven't, not as of 08:05 this morning. There is a lot of rumor ongoing We are awaiting a new version of the Waterford line PDF timetable which will clarify the situation __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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03-02-2013, 21:18	#1
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	Well we arrived late as usual, anything up to 200 passengers standing. From either drivers door through the train people standing, sitting on floor, tables, toilets and baggage all over the place. Anybody who was sitting couldn't get up and go toilets without causing lots of bother. Trolly service was unable to operate at all. A good few passengers got off in Carlow and payed for the Bus to Dublin while staff at the station spend 8 minutes trying to squeese everybody on the train. Air condition may as well of being off, heat was unreal and would only of being a matter of time before somebody would of fainted. Bus Eireann will do good business next week from students. Irish Rail had a few pictures to tweeted but of course the twitter account goes into ignore mode.

04-02-2013, 12:53	#2
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	Irish Rail station manager in Waterford claims there was a mechanical fault on the 14.10 in Heustion and a spare train couldn't be found (imagine that...!) to operate the service at full capacity. Now no staff know anything about this alleged mechanical fault on Sunday evening and no steps were taken to deal with passenger numbers. Now I find this very hard to believe as an extra 3 car set appeared in Waterford yesterday evening which wasn't there the previous Sunday when there was no mechanical fault on the 14.10 service. From the timetable point of view it was impossible for this second 3 car set to be in Waterford unless Irish Rail decided to run thie service empty to Waterford... I put the question of why there was not a bus service in place to deal with the expected numbers but didn't get a definite answer and added that Mayo passengers received one. I also said that if this was the Cork line there would be no problems funding a replacement train and it would not of being allowed to operate at reduced capacity. Also no real answer. Plenty of covering up of the situation and slightly conflicting stories form both ends. Overall he wasn't happy with what when on and there will be some words in Dublin over it during the week and asured people who he had being talking to over the issue that it was a one off and will not happen again.

04-02-2013, 19:31	#3
plant43 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 278	1835 was 3 carriages again this evening, plenty of bikes and luggage in the hallways. My guess is that Irish Rail are trying to "encourage" Newbridge commuters onto the 1825 or 1855 train.

05-02-2013, 14:17	#4
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	The problem of the 1835 being only a 3-car set is evidence of really bad management: for a start it's advertised as 1st and 2nd class, which should imply a 6-car set. Since the cancellation of the 1650 ex Waterford, the timetable is very unbalanced. The 1315 from Dublin arrives in Waterford at 1525, followed by 4 other arrivals (the Down 1510, 1640, 1735 and 1835). There is only one departure from Waterford after 1525, the 1820. Which raises the question: how does the 1315 from Dublin get back: attached to the 1820 from Waterford, which is the return working of the 1510 ex Dublin (?) - which only can happen the the 1510 is a 3-car. Failing this, the only way it can get back is the next morning, but that implies that at least one of the 1640, 1735or 1935 must be a 3-car. Of course there is the possibility of an ECS return - which I think can be ruled out.

15-02-2013, 01:37	#6
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	Irish Rail have confirmed that the 18.35 will be restored to 6 carriages soon. About time but it took plenty of people to complain and the delay the other day had passengers standing for over 2 hours and only good part after a long period of time stopped in Celbridge the driver opened the doors so people could get some air. Now part of the decision could be loadings on the 07.10.