InterCity Litter

apwhite · 14-05-2006, 22:20

Morning'

Took the Intercity up from Cork to Dublin this afternoon and after getting off I brought my read newspaper out with me to dispose of.

While I walked up the train I noticed that I was obviously the only one on the train with the same idea. Seats, Tables, Corridors were littered with everything from crumpled up A4 sheets to cans of Bud, entire Sunday Times (all 428 pages), the entire product offerings of most crisp makers known to man and even paper plates with salad remnants on them. Worst of all was where someone had disposed of their fingerlickin' good drumsticks directly on the table. A pool of grease was already forming.

Now, we are not world reknowed for being the most neat&tidy nation, but this is surely taking it a bit far?? What are schools teaching these days?

Do you reckon a bit of advertising or an announcement ala Ryanair "Please take your rubbish with you" would have any effect? Or is it a hopeless case (see "Seats are not for feet" campaign, which still sees every second gob****e putting their mucky doc martins on CIE's choice upholstery) and we are never going to do it, all dates back to the famine etc. We need litter otherwise we would put cleaning staff out of jobs etc. etc.?

Discuss.

sean · 14-05-2006, 23:32

Yeah, we're not all that clean all right.

But TBH the customers aren't soely to blame.

If you go for example to Germany, the seats with tables all have small trash cans built in. So that makes things a lot tidier and easier once you figure out whats going on.

MrX · 15-05-2006, 08:49

There arn't even bins outside the trains ... where are you supposed to put all this stuff? the two bins provider per coach are aproximately the size of the one you'd find in your average bathroom. You'd be lucky to get a couple of coffee cups into it.

James Shields · 15-05-2006, 08:57

I've noticed on the Enterprise a member of staff will come trhough the train with a rubbish sack at intervals, collecting rubbish so the problem doesn't build up.

I personalyl feel it's my duty to take my rubbish with me. Generally I only need to take it as far as the bin on the platform, so it's not a major chore.

This problem is not limited to IC trains, commuter trains suffer it too, and they don't always get cleaned between trips, so by the evening quite a lot of rubbish can build up.

Should littering on trains be a finable offence?

apwhite · 15-05-2006, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostcarpark

Should littering on trains be a finable offence?

Absolutely. If I throw my empty coffee cup on the platform I am littering a public place and can get fined, if I throw my empty can of bulmers on the train floor I can't? Hmm.

James Shields · 16-05-2006, 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by apwhite

Absolutely. If I throw my empty coffee cup on the platform I am littering a public place and can get fined, if I throw my empty can of bulmers on the train floor I can't? Hmm.

That's a good point, but if I pack any rubbish neatly into my empty coffee cup and leave it on the table for the person cleaning the train to dispose of, that's surely a lot better than leaving stuff strewn all over the place.

Mind you, if I go to the trouble of neatly arranging my rubbish, why not go the extra step and carry it from the train to a bin?

Mark Gleeson · 16-05-2006, 09:40

It would help if the bins on the MK3 coaches where actually there to be used

Thomas J Stamp · 16-05-2006, 10:48

But they are there, I've used them.

MrX · 16-05-2006, 11:18

IE need to come along and collect rubbish at least once during a train journey. It would help turn around times enormously. Ryanair can manage to do it, why cant IE? It'd make life a lot easier for the cleaning staff.

The bins on the MK3s simply arn't big enough to cope with the volume of garbage generated by that number of people. They're more like office waste paper baskets.

I don't really have THAT Much of an issue with people leaving easily cleaned up items on the table tops at the last stop of a long intercity journey if there is litterally no where to put the rubbish. It's better than dropping it all over the floor or the platform.

However, dumping stuff on a commuter train's floor or chucking rubbish on the floor of an intercity train or on platforms is an entirely different thing and shouldn't be tollerated.

In general though, people arn't unreasonably messy. They just need facilities to put rubbish in. The same applies to street litter, often there is no where to put rubbish due to a lack of bins / over full and unemptied bins.

If IE don't make propper provision for passengers on trains, they will have to suffer the consequences of having to clean tables.

14-05-2006, 22:20	#1
apwhite New to the board Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15	InterCity Litter Morning' Took the Intercity up from Cork to Dublin this afternoon and after getting off I brought my read newspaper out with me to dispose of. While I walked up the train I noticed that I was obviously the only one on the train with the same idea. Seats, Tables, Corridors were littered with everything from crumpled up A4 sheets to cans of Bud, entire Sunday Times (all 428 pages), the entire product offerings of most crisp makers known to man and even paper plates with salad remnants on them. Worst of all was where someone had disposed of their fingerlickin' good drumsticks directly on the table. A pool of grease was already forming. Now, we are not world reknowed for being the most neat&tidy nation, but this is surely taking it a bit far?? What are schools teaching these days? Do you reckon a bit of advertising or an announcement ala Ryanair "Please take your rubbish with you" would have any effect? Or is it a hopeless case (see "Seats are not for feet" campaign, which still sees every second gob****e putting their mucky doc martins on CIE's choice upholstery) and we are never going to do it, all dates back to the famine etc. We need litter otherwise we would put cleaning staff out of jobs etc. etc.? Discuss.

16-05-2006, 10:48	#8
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	But they are there, I've used them. __________________ We are the passengers

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14-05-2006, 23:32	#2
sean Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 707	Yeah, we're not all that clean all right. But TBH the customers aren't soely to blame. If you go for example to Germany, the seats with tables all have small trash cans built in. So that makes things a lot tidier and easier once you figure out whats going on.

15-05-2006, 08:49	#3
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	There arn't even bins outside the trains ... where are you supposed to put all this stuff? the two bins provider per coach are aproximately the size of the one you'd find in your average bathroom. You'd be lucky to get a couple of coffee cups into it.

15-05-2006, 08:57	#4
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	I've noticed on the Enterprise a member of staff will come trhough the train with a rubbish sack at intervals, collecting rubbish so the problem doesn't build up. I personalyl feel it's my duty to take my rubbish with me. Generally I only need to take it as far as the bin on the platform, so it's not a major chore. This problem is not limited to IC trains, commuter trains suffer it too, and they don't always get cleaned between trips, so by the evening quite a lot of rubbish can build up. Should littering on trains be a finable offence?

16-05-2006, 09:40	#7
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	It would help if the bins on the MK3 coaches where actually there to be used

16-05-2006, 11:18	#9
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	IE need to come along and collect rubbish at least once during a train journey. It would help turn around times enormously. Ryanair can manage to do it, why cant IE? It'd make life a lot easier for the cleaning staff. The bins on the MK3s simply arn't big enough to cope with the volume of garbage generated by that number of people. They're more like office waste paper baskets. I don't really have THAT Much of an issue with people leaving easily cleaned up items on the table tops at the last stop of a long intercity journey if there is litterally no where to put the rubbish. It's better than dropping it all over the floor or the platform. However, dumping stuff on a commuter train's floor or chucking rubbish on the floor of an intercity train or on platforms is an entirely different thing and shouldn't be tollerated. In general though, people arn't unreasonably messy. They just need facilities to put rubbish in. The same applies to street litter, often there is no where to put rubbish due to a lack of bins / over full and unemptied bins. If IE don't make propper provision for passengers on trains, they will have to suffer the consequences of having to clean tables.