Wishlist for upcoming timetable

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by KSW

How many bets are on the 27th that the news trains may not operate on all services and not just the odd one

Highly unlikely! Unless IE feel they will be able to cope with 3-coach 22ks on all services which i doubt, one of the evening peaks will be 6-coach 2800

Based on the "reported" new timetable the 16:30hrs (from maynooth) will be six-coach 2800 with the 17:30hrs and 18:30hrs being 3-coach 22k! that cant be right!

Untill SDO is sorted (not for a good while- still out to tender?) six-coach 22ks cant operate on the rosslare line!

[Thomas Ralph]

Originally Posted by sublimity

Agreed. New trains to take over completely from September 27th.

We will also need 6 coach 22k very soon. 2800/29000 trains to be a thing of the past on the rosslare line, with only the odd one for Gorey services being acceptable.

6-coach 22K is still not going to happen on the Rosslare line until the selective door opening issues are resolved. A 6-coach 22K is longer than the platforms at Rathdrum and Enniscorthy, and possibly Arklow as well.

[Thomas Ralph]

And then I read ThomasJ's post. Great Thomases think alike, eh?

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by Thomas Ralph

And then I read ThomasJ's post. Great Thomases think alike, eh?

Absoluetly, and there seems to be quiet a few around here!

[plant43]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

Thats an extraordinary gap in the evening especially considering its a major commuter and intercity station on the heuston side. Is hazelhatch and sallins the same?

Yes, it's the same for all stations between Newbridge and Dublin.

Ironically, there are two trains from Kildare to Dublin in that time period, 20:11 and 20:40.

[plant43]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

Untill SDO is sorted (not for a good while- still out to tender?) six-coach 22ks cant operate on the rosslare line!

I am on a 22k now that has selective door opening.

[Mark Gleeson]

What the door is broken. SDO was clearly mentioned as part of the order spec.

For the Rosslare line, all that is needed is to lock out the very rear door, which is a fairly standard feature on many trains without SDO

It should be quickly be coming apparent that a 4 car 22k would have been a better option in many places

[plant43]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

What the door is broken. SDO was clearly mentioned as part of the order spec.

Not broken, both doors into the last carraige were turned off. Also the automatic doors at either end of the carriage wouldn't open. I suspect they may be carrying a certain class of passenger in that carriage (people are inside it).

[ThomasJ]

Well maybe it has been sorted, and just been tested.

Interesting.... 5 carriage 22ks!

[sublimity]

That's great news. Irish Rail might just have surprised us (in a positive way for once)

We might just have 6 coach 22k on the busier Rosslare services from this September. Could do with them on the proposed 13.30 17.30 and 18.30 services ex Connolly

[karlr42]

Originally Posted by plant43

Not broken, both doors into the last carraige were turned off. Also the automatic doors at either end of the carriage wouldn't open. I suspect they may be carrying a certain class of passenger in that carriage (people are inside it).

I saw this happen a few months ago on a 29000 on a service to Maynooth(think it was the 23.10 ex Pearse), though there were no people in the carriage. I put it down to there being "a mess" made by passengers on the inbound service(was a Friday night).

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by plant43

Not broken, both doors into the last carraige were turned off. Also the automatic doors at either end of the carriage wouldn't open. I suspect they may be carrying a certain class of passenger in that carriage (people are inside it).

Could it just be the case that SDOs might work on the 1*6 22ks but not the 2*3s?

[Kilkea]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

Could it just be the case that SDOs might work on the 1*6 22ks but not the 2*3s?

Could possibly be, they (well only certain ticket collectors) use the SDO on the 18.25 Heuston-Waterford to keep people from hopping onto the "Premier" carraige when it is loading at Heuston. Anyone who has a first class ticket has to go to the end of the carraige and then walk back.

Back to the wish list! An additonal service on the Heuston-Carlow-Waterford line between the 18.25 and the 20.05 railcar. Someting just after 19.00 would be great for commuters.
Also, move the 06.10 Waterford-Heuston back 10 mins or so so that everyone can actually make it to work by 9am when it gets to Dublin!

Actually, just re-write the whole bloody timetable so that it works better!

[comcor]

Personally, a 20:30 Cork-Dublin service on a Sunday.

It exists every other day of the week.

A 20:00 Dublin-Cork on a Sunday or a 06:00 on a Monday to stop a train set being out of place. Although a service at 06:00 every day of the week might be nice. It would mean passengers from further afield than Mallow could be in Cork for the start of the business day.

In absolute fantasy land, 15 minutes off Cork-Dublin services to get the timings back to where they were in the late 90s.

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by Kilkea

Could possibly be, they (well only certain ticket collectors) use the SDO on the 18.25 Heuston-Waterford to keep people from hopping onto the "Premier" carraige when it is loading at Heuston. Anyone who has a first class ticket has to go to the end of the carraige and then walk back.

I wonder if this is being done manually with keys and not centrally from the driver's / train host's control console.

[Kilkea]

Originally Posted by Victor

I wonder if this is being done manually with keys and not centrally from the driver's / train host's control console.

Seems to be via the driver, as I heard someone giving out to the ticket collector one evening as they forgot to unlock the doors when it reached Athy, and everyone who was waiting at the door to get off had to plod up through the carraige to the door at the other end.

[Mark Gleeson]

I'd be starting to worry about the safety implications of this

The question is, is the door mechanically locked (i.e the emergency override won't work) or simply electrically locked out where the emergency override will release the door

The manual lock is strictly speaking designed to lock a door which is unserviceable i.e. one which may not lock correctly.

Edit, I'm told if the mechanical lock is used the door cannot be opened using the emergency handle

[ThomasJ]

what does that mean mark? is it a safe workaround in the rscs books?

[Mark Gleeson]

Consulting currently, but under the UK rule book no passengers would be allowed in any coach where

1. A door at the leading end of a coach at the front of the train or
2. A door at the trailing end of a coach at the rear of the train

Are defective, that appears to be a safety/evacuation requirement

Under SDO the emergency handle always works, so a door locked out for a short platform still can used to evacuate if required