CDE Cork Dublin Express train to enter service

MrX · 12-04-2006, 21:28

With that kind of attitude we'd still be using steam engines... I mean where did all those stokers and boiler men go?

New trains might mean new services, more passengers, more jobs..

Typical CIE union attitude!!

Mark Gleeson · 12-04-2006, 21:50

Guess who was at the labour court today

ACustomer · 13-04-2006, 07:56

Imagine if SIPTU and allied trades were around at the start of the railway age. We would still have stagecoaches to Cork, with changes of horses at Naas, KIldare, .....

Mark Gleeson · 13-04-2006, 08:51

The guards tried this last time in 1987, they went looking for 12.5% increase, why because the then new MK3 coaches had automatic doors, apparently having central and electrically verified door locking makes the job more difficult at the same time they gave out about new tail lights (legal requirement for over a century) and having to carry a walkie talkie, all of which were imposed by the railway inspectorate. There was even talk of looking for money for the track circuit bar which is only used following a derailment or accident.

Needless to say the claim was thrown out

Problem is even reasonable improvements which make the workers life easier are contested. We don't know exactly what is going on but without question a equal level of blame goes to the unions and management.

Kevin K Kelehan · 13-04-2006, 09:51

Still not resolved then

Time time run a book on operational entry date
Derek any suggested odds?

GavinG · 15-04-2006, 00:02

At the end of the day we are the ones suffering again because IE and the feckin unions couldn't sit down and work all this crap out months ago. Im really and truly sick and tired of both of them.

If this keeps up every change that is made on the railways forever more will be delayed by months. We need the transport minister (whoever they are) to give the unions and IE a kick up the arse to get these issues resolved early in the process because its obvious if they are left to their own devices they cant organise a pint in a pub!!!

Derek Wheeler · 15-04-2006, 00:34

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Originally Posted by Kevin K Kelehan

Still not resolved then

Time time run a book on operational entry date
Derek any suggested odds?

Im giving evens on end of May. A full 6 months after expected entry. And then it will only be in service trials. IE continue to deny, but the evidence is there in the public domain. Im compiling all similar situations at the moment. (Ive already mentioned DART to Greystones in another post. Add to that the attempt to get more cash for driving longer DARTs.)

Disaster.

Derek Wheeler · 15-04-2006, 00:44

The "pay-off" offered to guards was only equal to 3 years wages. As many of them are no-where near retirement age, they've decided to stay. Problem.

Some are accepting. But its a mess.

All new developments on the IE network will have to be cleared by unions. Ive used the word disaster before and I'll use it again.

Disaster.

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12-04-2006, 21:28	#1
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	With that kind of attitude we'd still be using steam engines... I mean where did all those stokers and boiler men go? New trains might mean new services, more passengers, more jobs.. Typical CIE union attitude!!

12-04-2006, 21:50	#2
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Guess who was at the labour court today

13-04-2006, 07:56	#3
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	Imagine if SIPTU and allied trades were around at the start of the railway age. We would still have stagecoaches to Cork, with changes of horses at Naas, KIldare, .....

13-04-2006, 08:51	#4
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The guards tried this last time in 1987, they went looking for 12.5% increase, why because the then new MK3 coaches had automatic doors, apparently having central and electrically verified door locking makes the job more difficult at the same time they gave out about new tail lights (legal requirement for over a century) and having to carry a walkie talkie, all of which were imposed by the railway inspectorate. There was even talk of looking for money for the track circuit bar which is only used following a derailment or accident. Needless to say the claim was thrown out Problem is even reasonable improvements which make the workers life easier are contested. We don't know exactly what is going on but without question a equal level of blame goes to the unions and management.

13-04-2006, 09:51	#5
Kevin K Kelehan Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Tower Posts: 355	Still not resolved then Time time run a book on operational entry date Derek any suggested odds?

15-04-2006, 00:02	#6
GavinG Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sligo Posts: 53	At the end of the day we are the ones suffering again because IE and the feckin unions couldn't sit down and work all this crap out months ago. Im really and truly sick and tired of both of them. If this keeps up every change that is made on the railways forever more will be delayed by months. We need the transport minister (whoever they are) to give the unions and IE a kick up the arse to get these issues resolved early in the process because its obvious if they are left to their own devices they cant organise a pint in a pub!!!

15-04-2006, 00:44	#8
Derek Wheeler Registered user Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kildare Posts: 1,555	The "pay-off" offered to guards was only equal to 3 years wages. As many of them are no-where near retirement age, they've decided to stay. Problem. Some are accepting. But its a mess. All new developments on the IE network will have to be cleared by unions. Ive used the word disaster before and I'll use it again. Disaster.