Increase in ticket checks

DangerM · 14-05-2009, 16:24

Just had my ticket checked on the 16:40 train to Gorey, which is grand, just thought it strange that the inspector was accompanied by two security guards. Is that normal?

CSL · 14-05-2009, 17:12

Ask the rentaguards for ther PSA badges for a laugh.

karlr42 · 14-05-2009, 17:33

If they had that in operation on later trains like late night Dart and Commuter services(ticket checking and ability to eject non-ticket-holders), it would be a step in the right direction.
Though as I got the 21:00 Pearse-Maynooth today, each set of ticket barriers had an open gate, so again Irish Rail fail to get even the basics right

DangerM · 15-05-2009, 09:20

They didn't serve any purpose. A person got on beside me at Bray (where a ticket can easily be purchased) but when the inspector asked to see it they just said they didn't have one! The inspector just said you know you should get one when you can and the person just responded to say that they never get one at Bray and just buy one when an inspector shows! He was just issued a ticket and no more was said.

I thought if you were able to buy a ticket before getting on you can be fined if you don't have one?

Thomas Ralph · 15-05-2009, 09:31

You can (assuming the booking office was open; legally, vending machines do not exist). That person really should have been issued with a section 133 RSA 2005 notice for a fine of â‚¬100. I can only assume that either the booking office in Bray was closed or the inspector didn't have his book of fines (which would beg the question as to what he was doing out inspecting in the first place).

poolergirl · 15-05-2009, 10:11

There have been regular incidents on the 16:40 train to Gorey (and the following one to Rosslare) over the last number of months due to an anti-social element. This seems to be the reason for an IE personnel and security presence.

plant43 · 15-05-2009, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Ralph

You can (assuming the booking office was open; legally, vending machines do not exist). That person really should have been issued with a section 133 RSA 2005 notice for a fine of €100. I can only assume that either the booking office in Bray was closed or the inspector didn't have his book of fines (which would beg the question as to what he was doing out inspecting in the first place).

Is there a difference between a ticket inspector and a ticket vendor?

Mark Gleeson · 15-05-2009, 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by plant43

Is there a difference between a ticket inspector and a ticket vendor?

Yes

There are three classifications

1. Booking office clerk (two designations within that)
2. Ticket checker (traveling or stationary some of whom are booking office staff)
3. Revenue Protection Unit

Only the RPU seem to issue fines

Thomas Ralph · 15-05-2009, 10:58

Legally there are "authorised officers" (from section 22A of the Transport Act, 1950), who are allowed to issue fixed payment notices for fare evasion, and "authorised persons" (from item 1 of the schedule to the CIÃ‰ byelaws (Confirmation) Order 1984), who are allowed to issue fare tickets. A person can presumably be both an authorised officer and an authorised person. All gardaÃ* are automatically "authorised officers".

14-05-2009, 17:33	#3
karlr42 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 340	If they had that in operation on later trains like late night Dart and Commuter services(ticket checking and ability to eject non-ticket-holders), it would be a step in the right direction. Though as I got the 21:00 Pearse-Maynooth today, each set of ticket barriers had an open gate, so again Irish Rail fail to get even the basics right Last edited by karlr42 : 14-05-2009 at 21:50.

15-05-2009, 10:11	#6
poolergirl New to the board Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17	There have been regular incidents on the 16:40 train to Gorey (and the following one to Rosslare) over the last number of months due to an anti-social element. This seems to be the reason for an IE personnel and security presence. Last edited by poolergirl : 15-05-2009 at 10:14.

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14-05-2009, 16:24	#1
DangerM Regular Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wicklow Posts: 92	Just had my ticket checked on the 16:40 train to Gorey, which is grand, just thought it strange that the inspector was accompanied by two security guards. Is that normal?

14-05-2009, 17:12	#2
CSL Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 378	Ask the rentaguards for ther PSA badges for a laugh.

15-05-2009, 09:20	#4
DangerM Regular Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wicklow Posts: 92	They didn't serve any purpose. A person got on beside me at Bray (where a ticket can easily be purchased) but when the inspector asked to see it they just said they didn't have one! The inspector just said you know you should get one when you can and the person just responded to say that they never get one at Bray and just buy one when an inspector shows! He was just issued a ticket and no more was said. I thought if you were able to buy a ticket before getting on you can be fined if you don't have one?

15-05-2009, 09:31	#5
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	You can (assuming the booking office was open; legally, vending machines do not exist). That person really should have been issued with a section 133 RSA 2005 notice for a fine of â‚¬100. I can only assume that either the booking office in Bray was closed or the inspector didn't have his book of fines (which would beg the question as to what he was doing out inspecting in the first place).

15-05-2009, 10:58	#9
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	Legally there are "authorised officers" (from section 22A of the Transport Act, 1950), who are allowed to issue fixed payment notices for fare evasion, and "authorised persons" (from item 1 of the schedule to the CIÃ‰ byelaws (Confirmation) Order 1984), who are allowed to issue fare tickets. A person can presumably be both an authorised officer and an authorised person. All gardaÃ* are automatically "authorised officers".