Coolmine - south bound ticket machines and why to never board without a ticket

Colm Moore · 11-09-2008, 17:46

I imagine that issuing summons is for the courts, not Irish Rail.

andyl222 · 16-09-2008, 07:26

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Originally Posted by Victor

I imagine that issuing summons is for the courts, not Irish Rail.

The reason i never got a summons was due to irish rail's ineptitude when they took my address incorrectly. So I didnt receive a notification stating the fine was still active or a summons to court due to this error on irishrail's part.

ccos · 16-09-2008, 15:28

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The concept of people arriving on time for work is therefore lost on IR.

maybe they all commute by public transport

Coolmine99 · 18-09-2008, 10:21

So it looks like I might expect a burly Garda on my door step in the newar future? Or should I just come clean and try and sort this out before it gets out of hand?

Mark Gleeson · 18-09-2008, 10:37

Long run it is probably cheaper to pay the fine now, even if you win in court it will cost you at least a half day off work and potentially fees for legal advice and so on. Of course you could lose and pay much much more.

Interestingly the Luas bye laws prohibit you from traveling if all the TVM's at a stop are broken!

Under the bye laws Irish Rail have a fully legit collar, we don't like it but the guy in Pearse caught you traveling with no ticket from a staffed station. The legal requirements of the fine where satisfied. The matters of rudeness should be addressed to Customer Services, Northern and Eastern, Connolly Station, Dublin 1.

If this was 3 years ago, I'd give good odds on a win for you but since the Rail Safety Act 2005 rolled in and Irish Rail had a string of non convictions due to the pay and the other end practice, they have change the game plan and rolled out a zero tolerance game and plenty of posters telling you about it.

Edit 21 days are up so the summons is in the post by now

Coolmine99 · 19-09-2008, 10:09

An update - rang Pearse this morning. My fine is being processed and being sent out to my (ahem) wrong address, so i corrected this - I didn't fancy a Garda visit after missing court appearances years down the line, particularly after reading andyl222's experience. Now, if only I had of been as forgetful about my name as well.....I will definitely appeal, and am sending a strongly worded letter to David Finlay at Pearse (Customer Services). Would the fact the guy acted like a complete ingnoramus and breached IR's customer charter help my case? Anyone know if appealing apenalty fare increases it if unsuccessful? I'm sure the details will all be revealed soon.....

Mark Gleeson · 19-09-2008, 10:28

While Irish Rail where lazy, ignorant and rude they have the whole legal side in their favour. There was a staffed ticket office at the station

Fine is a matter for the judge worse case the fine is 1000 euro, but it is a conviction so that may have other problems for your future. Max for the penalty notice is 100 euro and it disappears there and then never to surface again.

End of the day in nearly every case Irish Rail have always left themselves slightly open to losing. But it all depends on the judge on the day and that is not the kind of thing we are going to guess about. If you do end up in court seek professional legal advice.

18-09-2008, 10:37	#5
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Long run it is probably cheaper to pay the fine now, even if you win in court it will cost you at least a half day off work and potentially fees for legal advice and so on. Of course you could lose and pay much much more. Interestingly the Luas bye laws prohibit you from traveling if all the TVM's at a stop are broken! Under the bye laws Irish Rail have a fully legit collar, we don't like it but the guy in Pearse caught you traveling with no ticket from a staffed station. The legal requirements of the fine where satisfied. The matters of rudeness should be addressed to Customer Services, Northern and Eastern, Connolly Station, Dublin 1. If this was 3 years ago, I'd give good odds on a win for you but since the Rail Safety Act 2005 rolled in and Irish Rail had a string of non convictions due to the pay and the other end practice, they have change the game plan and rolled out a zero tolerance game and plenty of posters telling you about it. Edit 21 days are up so the summons is in the post by now __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 18-09-2008 at 10:41.

19-09-2008, 10:09	#6
Coolmine99 New to the board Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In the disputed area of Castleknock / Carpenterstown Posts: 26	An update - rang Pearse this morning. My fine is being processed and being sent out to my (ahem) wrong address, so i corrected this - I didn't fancy a Garda visit after missing court appearances years down the line, particularly after reading andyl222's experience. Now, if only I had of been as forgetful about my name as well.....I will definitely appeal, and am sending a strongly worded letter to David Finlay at Pearse (Customer Services). Would the fact the guy acted like a complete ingnoramus and breached IR's customer charter help my case? Anyone know if appealing apenalty fare increases it if unsuccessful? I'm sure the details will all be revealed soon..... Last edited by Coolmine99 : 19-09-2008 at 10:13.

19-09-2008, 10:28	#7
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	While Irish Rail where lazy, ignorant and rude they have the whole legal side in their favour. There was a staffed ticket office at the station Fine is a matter for the judge worse case the fine is 1000 euro, but it is a conviction so that may have other problems for your future. Max for the penalty notice is 100 euro and it disappears there and then never to surface again. End of the day in nearly every case Irish Rail have always left themselves slightly open to losing. But it all depends on the judge on the day and that is not the kind of thing we are going to guess about. If you do end up in court seek professional legal advice. __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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11-09-2008, 17:46	#1
Colm Moore Local Liaison Officer Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,442	I imagine that issuing summons is for the courts, not Irish Rail.

18-09-2008, 10:21	#4
Coolmine99 New to the board Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In the disputed area of Castleknock / Carpenterstown Posts: 26	So it looks like I might expect a burly Garda on my door step in the newar future? Or should I just come clean and try and sort this out before it gets out of hand?