[12/02/2008] All routes - cancellations

[Mark Gleeson]

Wow like we didn't guess

19.29 Pearse -Maynooth and 20.25 Maynooth - Pearse services- Cancelled Wednesday 2nd April by Corporate Communications

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that due to driver issues the 19.29hrs Pearse-Maynooth and 20.25hrs Maynooth-Pearse services are cancelled today Wednesday 2nd April.

Iarnród Éireann apologises to customers for the inconvenience caused.

[Mark Gleeson]

Connolly service alterations: Saturday 5th to Monday 7th April by Corporate Communications

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that the vast majority of services to and from Connolly will operate normally this weekend.

However, due to driver issues, the following services will be affected between Saturday 5th and Monday 7th April.

Saturday 5th April
06.45 Gorey – Connolly: bus transfers Gorey to Bray connecting to DART
14.45 Pearse – Drogheda, 16.55 Drogheda – Pearse & 18.15 Pearse – Drogheda: cancelled
17.34 Bray – Mullingar: cancelled

Sunday 6th April
09.05 Connolly – Sligo: train Connolly to Dromod, Bus Transfer Dromod to Sligo.

Monday 7th April
11.35 Connolly – Gorey: DART to Greystones, Bus Transfer Greystones to Gorey.
14.48 Gorey – Pearse: bus Transfer Gorey to Bray, DART to Pearse
12.05 Connolly – Drogheda & 13.20 Drogheda – Connolly: cancelled
16.16 Pearse – Drogheda & 17.48 Drogheda – Connolly: cancelled
17.00 Bray – Maynooth will commence from Pearse at 17.39.
18.32 Pearse – Maynooth & 19.50 Maynooth – Pearse: cancelled

Iarnród Éireann apologises for the inconvenience caused.

As usual IE are hiding changes, the 16:04 Maynooth Bray runs only to Connolly

[Terrontress]

The language is a bit extreme: "vast majority". It seems they are trying to downplay the situation rather than using their announcement to inform people of the cancellations.

What do you think Mark?

[Terrontress]

Also, including Monday in a post referring to "this weekend" is not really that clever either.

[Colm Moore]

Cheeky putting two or three cancellations on one line also. They can't seem to group them by time or route properly.

[Colm Moore]

http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/...ew&news_id=352

Connolly service alterations: Sunday 6th to Monday 7th April: UPDATE by Corporate Communications

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that the vast majority of services to and from Connolly will operate normally this weekend.

However, due to driver issues, the following services will be affected on Sunday 6th and Monday 7th April.

Sunday 6th April
16.00 Connolly - Belfast & 19.00 Belfast - Connolly: bus transfer

Monday 7th April
11.35 Connolly – Gorey: DART to Greystones, Bus Transfer Greystones to Gorey.
14.48 Gorey – Pearse: bus Transfer Gorey to Bray, DART to Pearse

12.05 Connolly – Drogheda: cancelled
13.20 Drogheda – Connolly: cancelled
16.16 Pearse – Drogheda: cancelled
17.48 Drogheda – Connolly: cancelled

17.00 Bray – Maynooth will commence from Pearse at 17.39.
18.32 Pearse – Maynooth: cancelled
19.50 Maynooth – Pearse: cancelled

Iarnród Éireann apologises for the inconvenience caused.

[zag]

I've said it before, but the whole approach of IE to this thing is a joke.

So, the vast majority of trains will operate normally . . . well, whoop-de-doo.

We are not in any kind of state of emergency, we are not under martial law, there have been no recent terrorist attacks. All trains should operate normally.

The fact that IE have not been given a right kick up the behind by the press, the politicians, lobby groups, or anyone is very surprising. I really cannot understand how there hasn't been more of a fuss made by Joe Public. I saw a post in the last few days where the last train to <somewhere> was cancelled - if I was expecting to get the last train home and found out that just a few hours earlier that day they had announced they weren't going to run it, I would not be impressed.

Any ideas how they are going to spin this in terms of reliablity statistics ? I imagine there won't be any new posters up next year saying "99.x% of our trains ran as scheduled last year" - they will probably leave the old ones up from last year. I take it that it's too much to hope that there are any penalty clauses to be expected for consistently cancelling x% of your trains for months on end ?

z

[Mark Gleeson]

The reason is there is no fuss is there is blackout at the request of the LRC

Irish Rail continue to hide whats going on in Cork, they will be in for a surprise tomorrow morning hopefully

[Mark Gleeson]

This was cheeky, wasn't there last night

Galway service alterations: Monday 7th April by Corporate Communications

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that due to driver issues, the following services will be affected on Monday 7th April:

05.20 Galway - Heuston: bus transfers (this service will be operated by train between Portarlington and Heuston, departing Portarlington at 07.06hrs)

09.10 Heuston - Galway: bus transfers

11.10 Heuston - Galway: bus transfers

Iarnród Éireann apologises for the inconvenience caused.

Likely another Galway Dublin service will be cancelled as well

[ThomasJ]

UPDATE

http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/...ew&news_id=352

Connolly service alterations: Monday 7th April UPDATE by Corporate Communications


Iarnród Éireann advises customers that the vast majority of services to and from Connolly will operate normally this Monday.

However, due to driver issues, the following services will be affected on Monday 7th April.



Monday 7th April

11.35 Connolly – Gorey: DART to Greystones, Bus Transfer Greystones to Gorey.

13.05 Connolly – Rosslare & 17.40 Rosslare – Connolly: Bus Transfers

14.48 Gorey – Pearse: bus Transfer Gorey to Bray, DART to Pearse

12.05 Connolly – Drogheda & 13.20 Drogheda – Connolly: cancelled

16.16 Pearse – Drogheda & 17.48 Drogheda – Connolly: cancelled

16.20 Connolly – Maynooth & 17.15 Maynooth – Connolly: cancelled

17.00 Bray – Maynooth will commence from Pearse at 17.39.

18.32 Pearse – Maynooth & 19.50 Maynooth – Pearse: cancelled

Also Article on Breaking News.ie

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhojgbojojsn/

Rail services cancelled due to ongoing rosters dispute
07/04/2008 - 09:43:15

Iarnród Éireann has cancelled a number of Dublin-based commuter services today due to an ongoing dispute with drivers.

Several services centred around Connolly Station and Pearse Station have been affected by the row over rosters and work practices.

However, the majority of services are operating as normal.

Iarnród Éireann management and drivers are still in talks on the introduction of more flexible rosters and issues surrounding driver training.

[Mark Gleeson]

Since IE don't have a issue time using UPDATE is just confusing

13.05 Connolly – Rosslare & 17.40 Rosslare – Connolly: DART service to Bray and Bus Transfers to Rosslare Europort.

Bear in mind there is no 17:40 Rosslare Connolly, its the 17:40 Rosslare Europort to Drogheda

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Since IE don't have a issue time using UPDATE is just confusing



Bear in mind there is no 17:40 Rosslare Connolly, its the 17:40 Rosslare Europort to Drogheda

Have you ever tried to find that service as Connolly Drogheda on the journey planner??? its like traying to find a needle in a haystack!

Also that journey 17:40 Rosslare Drogheda isn't even listed on the journey planner timetable screen for today.

[Mark Gleeson]

Its there its just it gets overtaken by a Enterprise at Balbriggan

[chipper]

Can someone explain to me what is happening? Under what circumstances can Irish Rail announce on Friday that there will be cancellations on Monday afternoon due to "driver issues"? Did a driver hand in a three day sick cert or something? How, given 72 hours notice, can they not arrange a different driver? Is that part of the problem? Do drivers not cover other services?

A missing 16:16 Pearse - Drogheda is going to be nasty. There will be a lot of extra people on the 16:42.

[Mark Gleeson]

Drivers have an entitlement to 2 days off in every 7. Drivers are not working days off. So if they roster a driver to work a day off they know there wont be a driver. If someone calls in sick there is no cover either, there is meant to be a spare driver.

There is a shortage of drivers in Dublin, thats the core problem, can't be denied they advertised internally about 3 weeks ago

You will find weekends and Monday to be the worst, mainly since given a choice weekends are where most people want a day off

[ThomasJ]

The 19.10 Connolly Maynooth is going to be nasty this evening and to top it all when it normally runs its four coaches long and crammed to pieces.

There is the 19:20 Docklands Clonsilla and 19:29 Pearse Maynooth if things get bad.

[Mark Hennessy]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

The 19.10 Connolly Maynooth is going to be nasty this evening and to top it all when it normally runs its four coaches long and crammed to pieces.

There is the 19:20 Docklands Clonsilla and 19:29 Pearse Maynooth if things get bad.

Indeed, and I can't get the 17:24 to Maynooth from Blackrock

[ThomasJ]

UPDATED With the following

http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/...ew&news_id=352

Please note: 16.20 Connolly - Maynooth & 17.15 Maynooth - Connolly is now operating

[Laois Commuter]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Drivers have an entitlement to 2 days off in every 7. Drivers are not working days off. So if they roster a driver to work a day off they know there wont be a driver. If someone calls in sick there is no cover either, there is meant to be a spare driver.

There is a shortage of drivers in Dublin, thats the core problem, can't be denied they advertised internally about 3 weeks ago

You will find weekends and Monday to be the worst, mainly since given a choice weekends are where most people want a day off

Am I reading this correctly - the drivers have a choice of which days they have off? Under the sort of agreement suggested (2 days off out of seven), you would anticipate the days of would rotate around the week, with a slightly higher proportion on Saturday, and signifcantly higher on a Sunday. These days would be rostered. Some weeks these may run together to allow a longer weekend.

The implication of this post is that drivers are rostered 7 days, then choose which ones they have off. If that is the case, then whoever agreed that wants shooting - not even sacking. The union negotiators must have been laughing their socks off.... that is even better than the UK where spineless managenent allowed Sundays to become all voluntary working, with the inevitable result in the run up to Christmas, etc.

People who work in public transport have to accept that it is a 7 day a week business - if they want a cushy 9-5 M-F, do something else.

LC

[Mark Gleeson]

The issue at hand here is working days off, where choice always applies

The roster is 5 days out of 7 days, drivers have no choice which days they work or what days off they get, but have 100% choice in what days off they choose to work if requested to do so. One of the days off is meant to be a weekend day. Bear in mind the working time act comes in as well as does the 48 hour per week limit

So if they are asked to work a day off on a Sat or Sun its highly unlikely they will come in, more so since there is a semi formal ban in place on working any rest days until Phil Flynn finally tables a solution.

Unlike the UK all days are considered equal and the rate of pay is fixed it doesn't mater what time of day or day of the week