Should Connolly be the terminating station for Rosslare services?

comcor · 20-12-2007, 12:58

I can't see the benefit of terminating Rosslare services in Pearse. For the passengers who want to travel onto Dundalk, Sligo or Belfast, you're adding extra complication and it wouldn't make all that much difference to DART running.

I'd agree with the idea of running them through Dublin completely, preferably on to Sligo or Dundalk.

KSW · 20-12-2007, 21:17

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Originally Posted by comcor

I can't see the benefit of terminating Rosslare services in Pearse.

I can't for the love of God either, It makes no sense.
Connolly has and hopefully will always be the terminating station for Rosslare Services.

Anyone else even considered why IE are stopping all Rosslare services at Tara, Pearse & Dun Laoghaire maybe they are planning this in advance.....

Colm Moore · 20-12-2007, 23:23

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Originally Posted by KeithStephen

Anyone else even considered why IE are stopping all Rosslare services at Tara, Pearse & Dun Laoghaire

They stop at those stations because they are popular stations with connections, e.g. 7, 46A and ferries at Dun Laoghaire. There is also likely to be a DART in front of them.

KSW · 20-12-2007, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Victor

They stop at those stations because they are popular stations with connections, e.g. 7, 46A and ferries at Dun Laoghaire. There is also likely to be a DART in front of them.

I know all this, I just wanted to see if people would also disagree with those stops but I guess its not turning out that way (haha

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I dont think there will ever be a Bray/Connolly direct for Rosslare ever again

James Shields · 22-12-2007, 01:18

Would you like them to extend the tracks up your front garden to save you the walk from the station?

Seriously, the purpose of the railway is to carry as many people as possible, and cutting out intermediate stops denies a proportion of the users from accessing the service. Unless there are enough Roslare passengers to fill the train on their own, you need the passengers for intermediate stops to keep the service viable.

Combining a Roslare service with a Maynooth/Longford/Sligo service saves a critical trackpath over the loop bridge, as one service is emptying as the other is filling up. I haven't experience of this, but I would expect that most passengers from the Maynooth leg will have alighted by Pearse, so even if you don't get a seat at Connolly, if you stand somewhere sensible you should be seated by Pearse.

And if you are left standing from time to time, try to remember the positive side - it means your line is growing and you can expect a greater range of services in the future.

ThomasJ · 22-12-2007, 01:50

Good point James re. combining rosslare and maynooth services!

passenger numbers on those rosslare europort and gorey trains have more than doubled as a result of running to and from maynooth. and dundalk. surely that can only be a good thing for the worst performing line on the railway network?

I remember years ago when there was a 7.30 clonsilla to rosslare europort train (was an mk2 set) that was always crammed as far as connolly and i actually remember cold winter mornings that less than ten passengers would get on at connolly.... how times have changed !

KSW · 22-12-2007, 02:01

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Originally Posted by ThomasJ

passenger numbers on those rosslare europort and gorey trains have more than doubled as a result of running to and from maynooth. and dundalk.

Can you proof this? When I see the Maynooth train coming into P5 most of the passengers have got off then the Rosslare passengers crowd the train most people still start there journey at Connolly. Arriving into Pearse not so much Tara St there is more passengers for the line. Passengers travelling on the Rosslare line know that Connolly is best to get a seat than arriving into Pearse with the coach full. I agree Thank God the line has seen an increase etc....

KSW · 22-12-2007, 02:11

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Originally Posted by James Shields

Would you like them to extend the tracks up your front garden to save you the walk from the station?
As one service is emptying as the other is filling up. I haven't experience of this, but I would expect that most passengers from the Maynooth leg will have alighted by Pearse, so even if you don't get a seat at Connolly, if you stand somewhere sensible you should be seated by Pearse..

That would'nt work

....Believe me I'm far from lazy.
One service emptys while the other service fills with passengers fair enough but as you've said you dont have experenice of this. Its easy writing stand somewhere sensible by Pearse etc, But its a completely different situation when you see your train approaching the platform.........
I think people are starting to go to Connolly in order to try there best to get a seat rather than Pearse not so much Tara St.
All I'm saying is it was easier when the Rosslare train was standing at the platform in good time of its departure............

ThomasJ · 22-12-2007, 02:19

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Originally Posted by KeithStephen

That would'nt work

....Believe me I'm far from lazy.
One service emptys while the other service fills with passengers fair enough but as you've said you dont have experenice of this. Its easy writing stand somewhere sensible by Pearse etc, But its a completely different situation when you see your train approaching the platform.........
I think people are starting to go to Connolly in order to try there best to get a seat rather than Pearse not so much Tara St.
All I'm saying is it was easier when the Rosslare train was standing at the platform in good time of its departure............

But keith having your train sitting at platform 5 for 10-20 minutes and as a result restricting the dart platforms of connolly to 2 is not a great resolution as the 6:00-7:00 is busy for all services. more than twenty services run though just those three platforms between 6 and 7 so restricting them to 2 is bound to cause disruption

sean · 22-12-2007, 02:53

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Originally Posted by KeithStephen

I can't for the love of God either, It makes no sense.
Connolly has and hopefully will always be the terminating station for Rosslare Services.

Anyone else even considered why IE are stopping all Rosslare services at Tara, Pearse & Dun Laoghaire maybe they are planning this in advance.....

Maybe because Pearse is a major City Centre station that interests a lot of Rosslare passengers (and will be an Interconector interchange) and Tara St. is the closest station to O'Connell Bridge?

Jeepers, I'd LOVE if the Sligo and Longford trains stopped at those stations.

James Shields · 22-12-2007, 10:26

My point was that there are a limited number of slots over the loop bridge, so running Maynooth to Roslare (for example) makes more efficient use of those slots (and for that matter, makes better use of trains since they aren't hanging around for 20 mins). If they were to stop doing it, they would have to run less trains. Having said that, the loop line is not being used to its full potential. I also think it would be better if the service was a new Intercity DMU running Longford to Roslare.

I got the impression you were getting on at Connolly, but it sounds like you're joining it at Pearse. I'm not surprised most of the seats are taken by Pearse, but the fact there are still Maynooth passengers getting off at that point means that you stand a chance of getting a seat. I'd guess there are probably a few Maynooth to Dun Laoghaire passengers, again giving you a chance of nabbing a seat mid way through the journey.

I agree there are probably a lot of passengers who would get on at Pearse but go over to Connolly to get a seat. I know there are a lot of people doing the reverse for the Maynooth and Drogheda trains too. The new footbridge makes this a lot easier on foot, but I'm sure there are also people who arrive early and take a DART over to the other station.

I wasn't saying that passengers from Maynooth significantly increase the numbers on the Roslare service. My point was that cutting out some of the stops south of Pearse would make the service less viable. I may have goofed here, thinking you were going to Roslare and looking for an almost non-stop service. I would think the majority of passengers using the service are for stops between Bray and Gorey, and the leg south of Gorey is fairly sparsely populated.

KSW · 22-12-2007, 11:34

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Originally Posted by James Shields

If they were to stop doing it, they would have to run less trains. Having said that, the loop line is not being used to its full potential.

I also think it would be better if the service was a new Intercity DMU running Longford to Roslare.

I got the impression you were getting on at Connolly, but it sounds like you're joining it at Pearse.

I'd guess there are probably a few Maynooth to Dun Laoghaire passengers.

My point was that cutting out some of the stops south of Pearse would make the service less viable. thinking you were going to Roslare and looking for an almost non-stop service.

I can completely understand why the present Gorey/Enniscorthy services orignates from Maynooth. I would be 100% with IE if they considered working Sligo/Dublin/Wexford for passengers from the Sligo side to continue on to Pearse or Dun Laoghaire or even Bray. Vise a versa for Rosslare users to Maynooth/Longford/Sligo.

My argument regards the Rosslare service is Maynooth it is not a terminus station. The present Rosslare/Maynooth operated since the introduction of the 2700 class Commuter trains, I want to ask if the 071's with the Mark II coaches were not taken from the line would IE have operated Rosslare/Maynooth with these 071's I dont think so.. I know when the Rosslare train hits Bray from Rosslare it then operates as Commuter and not the InterCity side of things. When the new 22000 trains come on want will the situation be then surly they cant keep going to Maynooth?
I board either at Connolly or Pearse but mostly Connolly....

CSL · 22-12-2007, 16:05

What about starting the Rosslare service at Bray with a MK2 rake and using the 29ks as extra shuttles [ Dart fillers ] only Maynooth-Bray ? or even

saves a loop line path

ThomasJ · 31-12-2007, 18:02

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Originally Posted by KeithStephen

The present Rosslare/Maynooth operated since the introduction of the 2700 class Commuter trains, I want to ask if the 071's with the Mark II coaches were not taken from the line would IE have operated Rosslare/Maynooth with these 071's I dont think so.. ...

http://brian-grey.fotopic.net/p14051550.html

[ps sorry i shouldn't have posted the link just pointing out this did happen]

And in fact was the normality for about 3 years I think, MarkH you might be able to help us out here but the 8.00am Connolly-Rosslare service started In Maynooth around 7.15am every morning, I took it nearly every morning and it was always MK2 operated. This ended once the rosslare service switched to 2700 railcars coupled with the opening of the railcar depot in Drogheda and the morning Rosslare service then started in Dundalk.

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20-12-2007, 12:58	#1
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	I can't see the benefit of terminating Rosslare services in Pearse. For the passengers who want to travel onto Dundalk, Sligo or Belfast, you're adding extra complication and it wouldn't make all that much difference to DART running. I'd agree with the idea of running them through Dublin completely, preferably on to Sligo or Dundalk.

22-12-2007, 01:18	#5
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	Would you like them to extend the tracks up your front garden to save you the walk from the station? Seriously, the purpose of the railway is to carry as many people as possible, and cutting out intermediate stops denies a proportion of the users from accessing the service. Unless there are enough Roslare passengers to fill the train on their own, you need the passengers for intermediate stops to keep the service viable. Combining a Roslare service with a Maynooth/Longford/Sligo service saves a critical trackpath over the loop bridge, as one service is emptying as the other is filling up. I haven't experience of this, but I would expect that most passengers from the Maynooth leg will have alighted by Pearse, so even if you don't get a seat at Connolly, if you stand somewhere sensible you should be seated by Pearse. And if you are left standing from time to time, try to remember the positive side - it means your line is growing and you can expect a greater range of services in the future.

22-12-2007, 01:50	#6
ThomasJ Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 2,812	Good point James re. combining rosslare and maynooth services! passenger numbers on those rosslare europort and gorey trains have more than doubled as a result of running to and from maynooth. and dundalk. surely that can only be a good thing for the worst performing line on the railway network? I remember years ago when there was a 7.30 clonsilla to rosslare europort train (was an mk2 set) that was always crammed as far as connolly and i actually remember cold winter mornings that less than ten passengers would get on at connolly.... how times have changed !

22-12-2007, 10:26	#11
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	My point was that there are a limited number of slots over the loop bridge, so running Maynooth to Roslare (for example) makes more efficient use of those slots (and for that matter, makes better use of trains since they aren't hanging around for 20 mins). If they were to stop doing it, they would have to run less trains. Having said that, the loop line is not being used to its full potential. I also think it would be better if the service was a new Intercity DMU running Longford to Roslare. I got the impression you were getting on at Connolly, but it sounds like you're joining it at Pearse. I'm not surprised most of the seats are taken by Pearse, but the fact there are still Maynooth passengers getting off at that point means that you stand a chance of getting a seat. I'd guess there are probably a few Maynooth to Dun Laoghaire passengers, again giving you a chance of nabbing a seat mid way through the journey. I agree there are probably a lot of passengers who would get on at Pearse but go over to Connolly to get a seat. I know there are a lot of people doing the reverse for the Maynooth and Drogheda trains too. The new footbridge makes this a lot easier on foot, but I'm sure there are also people who arrive early and take a DART over to the other station. I wasn't saying that passengers from Maynooth significantly increase the numbers on the Roslare service. My point was that cutting out some of the stops south of Pearse would make the service less viable. I may have goofed here, thinking you were going to Roslare and looking for an almost non-stop service. I would think the majority of passengers using the service are for stops between Bray and Gorey, and the leg south of Gorey is fairly sparsely populated.

22-12-2007, 16:05	#13
CSL Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 378	What about starting the Rosslare service at Bray with a MK2 rake and using the 29ks as extra shuttles [ Dart fillers ] only Maynooth-Bray ? or even saves a loop line path