Metro West Route

[packetswitch]

How about we just call it the Dublin Rail system (the whole lot, Luas, Metro, DART etc) and call the lines by colours or numbers or destinations or whatever and they just get on with building it before 2100?

[al2637]

The 51 in Amsterdam is regarded as a Metro, it is mostly segregated, yet crosses junctions and grade, doesn't seem to cause any problems. It's not as bad as it sounds guys.

I've always thought that this model would be ideal for Metro west!

http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/ams/amsterdm.htm (line 51)

[Thomas J Stamp]

I've been on it. It's underground for a good stretch. This isn't.

Leaving that aside, the route is seriously flawed.

[al2637]

5 stops out of 52 underground, maybe about 4km.

[a_slight_hitch]

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp

Leaving that aside, the route is seriously flawed.

In what sense?

I'd like to see a response to this post:

http://forum.platform11.org/showpost...1&postcount=56

as it raises several good points. With the information in the public demain as my only source of knowledge I'm unable to see how your assertion is the case. Perhaps the fact that it is not full metro to start with is a flaw in the project, but the route itself seems to join all the necessary dots.

[Thomas J Stamp]

I'll have to be brief, because its nearly time to go home.

Here are three reasons:

1. It is not properly connected to The Square Shopping Centre and it doesnt Connect with the LUAS there

2. It doesnt serve Liffey Valley SC nor it associated Retail Parks at all.

3. There are serious problems in the way it is planned to serve Blanchardstown Shopping Centre.

Bonus reason:

It doesnt serve James Connolly Hospital.

Longer and more detailed discussion is being held in the members section. I can fell the righteous finger of Mark Gleeson waiting to lock this thread as infrastructural debate is held there, but I'm not locking it because you will need to reply to this.

As for ofjames post, there were many responses to it, all of which anticipated what I have just said, most of which has been borne out to be correct.

[ofjames]

Fair point regarding JCM hospital, it doesnt serve Blanchardstown Institute of Technology either.

Students of BIT travelling via metro west will have to disembark at the NAC and take their chance walking through some of the toughest estates in the country. Wouldnt envy them!!

It would be possible to serve the hospital if a stop was located at the roundabout at the southern end of snugborough rd north (just after the bridge over the N3). Theres a road entrance to the hospital there, would be less than 10min walk to the front door of A&E

[philip]

Originally Posted by ofjames

Fair point regarding JCM hospital, it doesnt serve Blanchardstown Institute of Technology either.

The latter being the bigger trip generator I'd have thought.

Originally Posted by ofjames

Students of BIT travelling via metro west will have to disembark at the NAC and take their chance walking through some of the toughest estates in the country. Wouldnt envy them!!

Surely metro West will gentrify these estates and all will be well. I'm sure I saw it that way in an artists impression!

[a_slight_hitch]

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp

1. It is not properly connected to The Square Shopping Centre and it doesnt Connect with the LUAS there.

ok - have to admit I'm not particularly familiar with the area but my reading of the map published yesterday is that the LUAS connects to Metro via track laid between Tallaght and Tallaght East.

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp

2. It doesnt serve Liffey Valley SC nor it associated Retail Parks at all.

right - do you mean it doesn't serve Liffey Valley SC in the same way that Balally doesn't serve Dundrum TC on the Green Line? Again from the map published yesterday and a cursory glance at the aul' google maps the proposed stop would seem roughly similar distance away as Balally and Dundrum TC. My experience with Dundrum is that it's a minor pain in the hole when it's raining but very accessible in general terms. Pardon my ignorance again but am not particularly familiar with the Liffey Valley area.

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp

3. There are serious problems in the way it is planned to serve Blanchardstown Shopping Centre.

please elaborate.

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp

Bonus reason:

It doesnt serve James Connolly Hospital.

fair enough - although because of it's proximity to Blanchardstown TC it may have been a choice between the 2?

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp

As for ofjames post, there were many responses to it, all of which anticipated what I have just said, most of which has been borne out to be correct.

No there wasn't. The reason I linked to the ofjames post was because the thread ended 1 post later and I couldn't find any satisfactory responses anywhere else. It's a bit picky I know but check the thread.