[article] Iarnrod Eireann urged to reopen tunnel

[Oisin88]

Is it all down to some sort of division of services?

Are Connolly services "not allowed" mix with Heuston services because "that's always been the way."

Is this the same way that you can buy tickets from all the machines on the "Southern & Western" (Heuston) division ticket machines to anywhere except stations that are served from Connolly. (i.e. you can buy Tullamore to any of those dodgy south Wexford Halts but not to Drogheda)

They also seem to run the Galway services as a completely separate entity from the Mayo services which means that the intervals between services is strange. Could this hark back to the fact that some of the services were Midland Great Western and some were Great Southern or something like that.....

enough of the conspiracy theories, just get the thing opened.

[Navan Junction]

Originally Posted by Oisin88

They also seem to run the Galway services as a completely separate entity from the Mayo services which means that the intervals between services is strange. Could this hark back to the fact that some of the services were Midland Great Western and some were Great Southern or something like that.....

They used to have scheduled trains from Galway running through the Phunnel up until the eighties (think it was the eighties) and on Dún Laoighaire (think it was there0

[Redsoxfan]

Other than capacity issues (are they real?) is there anything else stopping IE opening this route?

[clonsilladart]

If i may play devils advocate for a minute...... Is there a danger in "politicians minds" it may become a choice between the PPT and the interconnector. Maybe (just maybe) IE are worried about this happening!!!

Maybe the best way of achieving P11's vision of an integrated rail plan involving the PPT, is for the Interconector to come first, then develop the PPT rout.

However, i do appreciate that the life of hundreds of commuters could be made much easier if it the rout was opened right now!!!...... I just don't want it to be at the expense of the interconnector, and a truly integrated system. Some politicians are only to willing to jump on any band wagon to damage T21.

[Mark Gleeson]

Believe it or not back in the 1900's there was a service from North Wall to Sallins. Most people don't know that there was a previous station in the Docklands, its still there and owned by CIE in fact its where the new Docklands station was designed

Iarnrod Eireann are on record in the early 1990's stating Kildare line trains would serve Connolly, have that in writing

At the same presentation that Joe Meagher promised the Park Tunnel they also gave the interconnector plug. That was evidence before a oireacthas committee

The map which accompanied the Interconnector presentation given to the IEI had the park tunnel route on it

The investment program with the Park Tunnel in it was approved by the DoT back in 2004, again have it in writing

There is solid evidence that post Kildare Route Project 30% of all passengers arriving into Heuston will have no access to public transport to the city, why since the Luas and Bus are incapable of carrying the numbers involved diverting a number of trains via the Park Tunnel resolves this

So what we have is numerous on the record promises, the Park Tunnel route serves a completely different market to the interconnector since it takes in the north city. The cost was zero until IE screwed it up

[CSL]

I presume you mean by

a: not putting in a diamond of some sort at Cross Guns

or

b: changing the track layout just north of docklands so Drumcondra services couldn't get to it.

[Mark Gleeson]

Glasnevin option is not a starter on capacity

It still appears with some minor property purchases the connection is possible in Docklands

[Oisin88]

Originally Posted by Navan Junction

They used to have scheduled trains from Galway running through the Phunnel up until the eighties (think it was the eighties) and on Dún Laoighaire (think it was there0

I have a vague memory of getting on a train in Dun Laoghaire and going to somewhere in Mayo and then getting buses to Knock. a very vague and distant memory. 70s probably. Also probably a special.

[ooleary]

There was a scheduled Connolly to Limerick run through the PPT this morning...if the RPSI can do it without affecting scheduled services, how come Irish Rail can't?

[Gary]

Would if effect Capacity that much at rush hour to have 3/4 trains go from Dun Laoire to Kildare?

There must a good number of people drive from their home in Kildare to work in areas south of Pearse as there's no single form of transport to get them there.

[Mark Gleeson]

No space south of Pearse for any extra trains, its already at its limit, no extra trains to run such a service exist

[Gary]

Would there ever be a point in the future there would be capacity south of Pearse to allow Dun Laoighaire to Kildare via improved signalling rearrange current schedule etc?

Out of curiousity how far a walk is it from the Luas stop at Heuston to the PPT platform?

[gerard]

Originally Posted by Navan Junction

They used to have scheduled trains from Galway running through the Phunnel up until the eighties (think it was the eighties) and on Dún Laoighaire (think it was there0

Limerick also used to have direct servcies to Dun Laoghaire.