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[unoffical strike action] Disruption at Mallow
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28-06-2006, 08:31 | #2 |
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I really hope they get fired. I wouldn't wish that on any one but a message needs to be sent that deciding not to adhere to procedures and then striking when disciplined will not be accepted.
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28-06-2006, 08:45 | #3 |
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There is something funny going on how can 2 station staff cancel a train ?
The driver and guard are the only 2 people required onboard, no need for a ticket checker or anyone on the platform to assist, Mallow could be unstaffed trains could still stop. All signalling is controlled from Dublin The 5:30 ex Cork appears to have run empty to Limerick Junction |
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As is often the case Iarnrod Eireann are not being honest and as they have in the been complicit in allowing the unofficial action to impact well beyond its scope (1,2)
Its highly unlikely that the 2 car 2700 arrow set at Limerick Junction would be sent in it place and we have no reports of that happening (1) Note during protests re CIE future DART drivers were facilated by management by terminating trains in Pearse, this is not standard practice (2) During the Cork strike Irish Rail management breach trust at a delicate stage of negotiations Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 28-06-2006 at 09:48. |
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Latest info from Mallow indicates that the Iarnrod Eireann statement is false and misleading
The two staff involved are in fact a ticket checker and a guard, they are not station staff as quoted. The ticket checker was disciplined Still doesn't explain the 5:30 ex Cork being effected which has a Cork crew Bonus points if you can work out why the guard is on strike as well, its quite easy if you know how old CIE worked |
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Having read the above post at 11:41 Irish Rail have revised their story and have removed 'station staff' from the statement
1 0 to P11 so, honesty is the best policy its something Irish Rail need to learn |
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I was meant to catch the 11:24 service from Portlaoise but one of the station staff came around at 11:15 saying that is was delayed by hald an hour and that there would be another train along in "about 3 minutes" which was only 3 carriages long and would be very full. No actual announcement was made.
At 11:50 a tiny train which according to passengers who travelled from Limerick is the train that usually link Limerick with the Junction arrived. It was pretty full but I got on anyway as I was late. Once everyone was packed in the driver announced "Please note this train will serve Heuston station dublin only, please stand clear of doors as they are about to close". There was one person on the train who was going to Portarlington and he couldn't get to the doors before they closed. There was no communication button that I could find and I couldn't really move around to try and find one as it was very full so I rang the station in Portlaoise. I explained the problem to him and he told me he would get the train to stop in Portalington. The train went through Portarlington without stopping so I rang Portlaoise back. He said he was told it was going to stop in Portarlington so he took my number and said he would ring me back. He rang me back a few minutes later and told me that they had no way of communicating with the driver and that the train would have to go non stop to Dublin. The only announcement made about this train only going to Dublin was when we had boarded the train. No announcement of any delay was made over the PA system in the station. When we got into Dublin I helped the Portarlington person (who was polish and had very little English) at the information desk that he needed to get back the Portarlington. The man from the station in Portlaoise had rang ahead and he was escorted to the train. There was an apology when we were pulling into Hueston apologising for the people who had to stand. |
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That was the tail end of the 6:55 out of Tralee (its sitting in Mallow), the connecting train from Limerick was held for the bus from Mallow and since its only capable of 70mph it would lose a heap of time (+20 minutes) on the way to Dublin. Its not scheduled to call in Port Laois anyway
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The 11:24 should stop in Portlaoise and Portarlington and Kildare and as no announcement was made, some people assumed the train arriving at 11:50 was the 11:24 seeing as how that hadn't arrived yet either
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Full radio coverage is provided from Cobh to Heuston, question is the time from Port Laois getting the call to the station master in Port Laois approving it and ringing Connolly and talking to the regulator who in turn might have to seek approval then call the driver, there was a 10 minute window to do it it should have been possible. The train radio is a required item it must be working, even if the driver had not set up the train id correctly (quite possible given the fact the train was not really timetabled) there is a broadcast mode where everyone hears
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I sometimes wonder if IE unions are full of plants from some private railway investment company who desperately wants to see IE privatised.
It seems like they're making absolutely every effort to insure that the Government, with full public support, sells them off to someone with a ryanair approach to business. Behaving like this is signing their own public-sector death warrent. You simply cannot behave like this and hold up the entire country on the basis that you're having a bit of a spat with your employer. IE would be within their rights to sue these guys or at the very least seek highcourt injuctions against them. |
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Happy to report that my sources are doing a fine job. If you're reading, thank you very much for your information today.
IEs online statement was too vague and should explain to people, exactly why the service is disrupted. Passengers are entitled to know why they have to get off the train. Considering the last fiasco and IEs "spin", it would be very easy for effected passengers to blame the drivers for todays cancellations. The last dispute was not actually caused by drivers. IE management decided to use the "new train" as an issue to provoke staff. P11 will continue to promote the issue of "management accountability" during any further industrial unrest as from information we have received, there appears to be a 3 way split developing. 1. Management 2.Unions 3. Staff At the top of this little tree is management. While rail unions have traditionally been very difficult beasts to deal with, its becoming very apparent that "management" have started to handle the "unions" in a better fashion, but "unions" are forgetting about the basic needs of their members in their quest for power. Many IE staff have genuine issues that have nothing to do with money, disciplinary proceedures etc. But they find that both management and unions have no interest. The "more money" culture formed by greedy unions and some staff, has destroyed the chance of harmony, promoted a power scramble and influenced public opinion against IE staff. Not all of them are in the job to "get as much money as possible". Those who have followed this road have given the bad name to a situation that many of us are aware of. Arrogant Management/Power Crazed Unions = Poor industrial relations/neglected staff/disrupted customers. Management should do the job of managing a railway that promotes an excellent standard of service to customers and an excellent working environment for staff. This is where a real transformation of the network can begin. I often wonder if IE management are still stuck in the same "timewarp" as certain employees who see the job as one for life without any accountability. Real leadership comes from the top down. |
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Regular posters and guests who read our website and this board will recall that on more than one occasion it was stated that IE managment had found a ground they could beat the unions on - the CDE - and that was what happened. 30,000 people were messed around due to idiotic power plays which primary schoolchildren would be ashamed of. It is a fact that sparodic action like todays has happened in the past and will do so again in the future but they only happen because of the mindsets of the people who are supposed to meet at the negotiating table.
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I think it's high time that IE had a major structural overhall. They clearly have massive internal issues that need to be resolved before we can have anything approaching a reliable train service.
These kind of wildcat strikes are totally uncalled for. In any healthy industrial relations environment there should be proper channels for discussion and negotiation between management and staff. I constantly get the impression that IE suffers from a 19th century mangement vs worker dichotomy that creates an "us" and "them" attitude. It's about time that the whole company was reformed, given a serious shake up and made function a little more efficiently. From what I can see it's a 19th century hierarchy with all of the problems that that structure tends to create. ---- Perhaps if management, workers and unions can't agree a way forward they should be locked into a 2600 DMU at crush load and driven up and down the bumpiest piece of track you can find for several days with nothing except a diet of their own chicken and stuffing sandwiches with warm mineral water. They'd crack eventually! (much like their customers) Last edited by MrX : 29-06-2006 at 14:18. |
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