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Unread 31-01-2017, 21:31   #1
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Default Map - Dublin Area Train and Tram Services

https://www.transportforireland.ie/j...-planner/maps/
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While they're a good idea, I think they're a little disingenuous.

The train/tram map artificially squeezes in the north of the city so it looks like
Broombridge and Bayside are equidistant from the city centre. Urban rail maps regularly do this for clarity but I think this one takes it a step too far.

The Frequent Services map considers a bus service to be frequent if its frequent at peak hours. Yes, it says this in the description so they're not hiding it but, again, it's a little disingenuous.

The local area maps look good. DCU has an odd 'You are here' pointer on the map which is odd but otherwise they're very good.
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While they're a good idea, I think they're a little disingenuous.

The train/tram map artificially squeezes in the north of the city so it looks like
Broombridge and Bayside are equidistant from the city centre. Urban rail maps regularly do this for clarity but I think this one takes it a step too far.

The Frequent Services map considers a bus service to be frequent if its frequent at peak hours. Yes, it says this in the description so they're not hiding it but, again, it's a little disingenuous.

The local area maps look good. DCU has an odd 'You are here' pointer on the map which is odd but otherwise they're very good.
The local maps are designed to be physically put up in the locations concerned - hence the "You are here".

Sadly as per usual with our disjointed transport system the Dún Laoghaire maps have not been updated to reflect the revised bus network in the area.

The lack of a complete public transport network map for Dublin is still outrageous.

I think you're expecting a lot of a schematic map to reflect scale to be honest. Not even the London Underground map does that - significantly over/under stating distances between certain stations.

I think you have to accept that with schematic maps scale tends to be impossible if you want to have clarity.

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You should try the Cork Bus Network Map for general rubbishness.

- Three missing routes - 201, 202A, 220X (the 202A runs every 20 mins, so it is not an insignificant route)
- One route that has an archaic routing - 203
- Four that have inaccurate routings - 202, 216, 220 and 226A
- A couple of stops that are featured, but don't have all the route lines going through them - Thomas Davis St is shown on the 207A, but not the 203 or 215. Rochestown Road is shown on the 223 and not the 216. In the case of the first of these, it looks like the nearest the 203 and 215 get is about 4km away.

And it could honestly be worse than that as I don't know what some of the routes do out in the suburbs.

Is there any way to give feedback as it is quite a shoddy job?
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Is there any way to give feedback as it is quite a shoddy job?
Many of the maps are on their first editions, so that comment might be harsh. A large part of the problem is the indifference of the operators.

I had asked for the rail map to be created, seeing as you would barely know that two rail networks exist looking at Irish Rail and Luas maps. I'm compiling a list of issues.

Otherwise info@nationaltransport.ie for general issues or passengerinfo@nationaltransport.ie for journey planner issues.
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You can see why there is resistance towards producing overall maps. There is absurd duplication between a lot of the train and tram services and the bus routes. Some of the best bus routes in the city are serving areas already well served by rail.

This is a huge waste of resources - a much better overall service could be provided by using the resources on frequent reliable shuttle services to get people to the trams and trains.

You have the same thing on a national scale with Bus Eireann duplicating Irish Rail services. Competition is a fine thing but not when it's between two companies in the same group.
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Luas have published a map for use when Luas Cross City opens.

http://www.luascrosscity.ie/news/dec...s-network-map/
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They are saying the blue section will be replaced by green when it opens. I would also suggest the Docklands station names are swapped to other side and show a more realistic Connolly location.
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They are saying the blue section will be replaced by green when it opens. I would also suggest the Docklands station names are swapped to other side and show a more realistic Connolly location.
the blue bit is already causing confusion and stupidity on social media. Some think you will have to hop off a green line tram and change to a blue line tram at stephens green. Also: the lines are not connected because they are of different size.
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Has there been any progress by the NTA in having the combined Dublin Area Train and Tram services map displayed at stations, tram stops and on trains in the GDA? With Luas cross city opening soon now would appear to be a great time to start using a combined map, but I suspect that a new Luas map will be used that makes no reference to the heavy rail network
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Colouring the extension blue is an insane bit of graphic design. I've seen many other cities around the world open extensions to existing lines, and while the extension was under construction it's been portrayed either the same colour as the open line, but with dashed lines, or in a lighter shade of the same colour.

It's no surprise that there's confusion about the Broombridge extension, just like the old rumour that the red and green lines have different track gauge.
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It was originally called the blue line from a planning point of view but clearly its the Green line for operational reasons
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Has there been any information from Transport for Ireland on if the combined train and tram services map will be used at stations and tram stops in the Dublin area? The current passenger information is terrible and with the Luas green line extension opening this would be a good time to do it
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