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Unread 18-04-2006, 21:59   #1
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Default Exit validation finally arrives

Long awaited exit validation has finally arrived at Grand Canal Dock and by the looks of the queue this morning the get out it wasn't a altogether smooth operation

Of course muppet boy from CIE was out on Sunday for the photo, note he is entering the station at this point not leaving, kind of pointless, nor is Dr Lynch using his own annual ticket he is using a crouzet dummy test ticket
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Unread 19-04-2006, 07:29   #2
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Validation equipment is a necessary addition however the layout of these machines does not look encouraging in the way that lining them up at a 90 degree angle with clear demarcation between entry and exit stiles as on other commuter neyworks where they are used.

One fears that many stations simply may not have been designed to accomodate sufficient quantities of these machines
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Unread 19-04-2006, 08:34   #3
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There are major delays leaving Grand Canal Dock in the morning as a result of the new system.

Certain stations will be able to cope, there is a huge space in Tara Street that would be suitable

If the entire plan is to reduce fare evasion the best option would be to install the machines at lightly used stations where you currently don't get challenged for a ticket

Exit validation becomes important when you more to smartcard ticketing as you need to tag on and tag off
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Unread 19-04-2006, 09:43   #4
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Is Exit validation really such a good thing? I can understand the argument about preventing fare evasion, but we should really be weighing it up against ease of use.

Personally I'd like to see open platforms with entrances/exits from all sides. There is nothing worse than having to walk all the way around or over a station to get in, only to have to walk back again to the opposite side of the platform.

It works fine in A'dam :-) and also seems to work perfectly well on the Luas!! Really makes the system nicer to use.
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Unread 19-04-2006, 09:50   #5
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Nevermind a bunch of fancy barriers. The only way to reduce far evasion is to present the would be offender with a serious possibility of actually getting caught. These machines in remote stations will do nothing to stop the evaders hopping over them or a nearby fence.

They should open the system up completely and mont regular undercover checks a la Deutsche Bahn. The doors close then the oul wan next to ou produces ID and demands your ticket! I have seen it and there's no escape from the 'wache' doing their 'knotrolle'.
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The thing that puts me off getting the DART home (Pearse or Tara) is trying to get out of the station. People using the turnstyles (that is what they're there for) and 'inspectors' letting people walk through the exit gates.

If exit validation stop people walking through these gates then it has done it's job.
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The RPA were trying to convince IE to go to an open system with the honour fare, smart cards and flash ticket checking.

Its possible but a long way away and much easier implimented with proper integrated fares and ticketing.
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Unread 19-04-2006, 10:01   #8
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The potential revenue loss on the rail system is much greater than on Luas. I think people fail to realise how much revenue is being lost, which results in increased fares.

Its trivial to fare evade on Luas during the rush hour as its so crushed, I met the Luas revenue protection people once I waved my smart card and that was it that said someone was issued with a fine at 10:30 on a Sunday

The barrier is the typical solution on mass transit system, very handy on underground systems as you know exactly how many passengers in the system and also you can lock the gates instantly if needs be

The IE revenue team where in Sydney Parade southbound this morning, they are no longer predictable, game plan is to stake out one station in the morning and a different one in the evening (since on train checks are not feasible) then travel off peak

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My idea help to 'poor IE's revenue loss' would be to make it all open plan and redeploy the hardworking station masters as ticket checkers.
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I almost agree but in the absence of onboard ticket sales this could prove problematic for those who arrive at stations without coins. I remember waiting 45 minutes for a station manager to arrive once to buy a ticket; the sign of course said 'Back in 10 minutes'
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Indeed, it's the same in A'dam.

Metro pulls in, a group of 8+ inspectors get on coming in via every door. Everyone getting off at that stop has their ticket checked, they then move in and check everyone elses ticket after the doors close.

Unlike the IE crowd, who can be quite predictable...

Summer Mornings - Howth for da breakfast
Winter Evenings - Clontarf Road (on da way home)
Afternoons/Nighttime - Non existant
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