CDE Cork Dublin Express train to enter service - Page 6

Mark Gleeson · 21-05-2006, 21:22

The 5:30 set isn't the 9:00 set. There are no MK4's in Cork tonight to our knowledge

Train A202 09:00 Dublin Heuston Cork Kent will be a MK4

There are 5 Cork sets
5:30 Cork Dublin
7:00 Cork Dublin (citygold)
7:00 Dublin Cork (citygold)
9:00 Dublin Cork
9:30 Cork Dublin

Thomas J Stamp · 22-05-2006, 10:04

Mark G is right, as per usual (waiting for the day and all that!) That 5.30 train is one I regualrly use and up till December was a Mark2d set, and fairly bad at that. In December was repleced by a Mk3. the crew is not the same crew as the 9.00am departure from Hesuton, but go down to Heston at about 845/50 and watch the crew leg it form their train to to 9.00am one to get back home as they go back as passangers on it. This I suppose is where people thought that as that cew go back on the 9.00 them they must bring the 5.30 with them.

colmoc · 22-05-2006, 11:08

dont know about the rest of you butI have been watching the board all morning to hear any news of the first run of the CDE so who was on it this morning

MrX · 22-05-2006, 11:12

Did it actually run at all or did it just enter non-passenger service?

colmoc · 22-05-2006, 11:14

just heard on the 12 o'clock news that it has just made its first official passanger run arriving in heuston just before 12.

MrX · 22-05-2006, 11:18

Thought it was the other way around. It left from Heuston at 9am arriving in Cork at 11:50am. Just wondering what time it would be heading back at.

I suppose someone could give Kent station a ring and see if they've any idea when it's going back.

I'd say IE will want to introduce the full fleet fairly soon though as the MK3s are in dire need of a few days at inchicore for a full servicing.

Any ideas where they're going to be running? I assume they'll be taking up service on any remaining MK2 services?

colmoc · 22-05-2006, 11:38

sorry my bad you're right I just heard word heuston at the end of the broadcast

why_does_planning_suck · 22-05-2006, 12:19

lostcarpark, if you took lots of photos then put a few up on the forum !

Thomas J Stamp · 22-05-2006, 12:27

that is excellent, cant wait for the full detailed techie review but lcp's review is more or less what i'm interested in as he's a normal punter who just wants to get somewhere without getting thrown around and his arse numbed into oblivion. so it sounds as though they have passed the test!!

Mr X they'll gradually be increased as they get to the 10,000 mile mark of running in. There are no mark 2's on the Dublin Cork line so probably by September all of the Mark 3 will be gone from cork, I think all the Limerick rakes will be those Mark 3's from then as well as Galway, the mark2's from them being withdrawn. The cravens may live onm in their usual Friday only spots but the mk2's will go there eventually.

Next year when the Intercity DMU's come in it'll be fun. I guess that the push pull mark 3 will get Belfast after a repaiint to shore up enterprise. Where the rest go is anyone's guess.

Red Alert · 08-06-2006, 20:45

I've heard either here or over on boards.ie that the mk2's are suffering corrosion problems whereas the cravens are not, so they might be scrapped first. problem in the craven's is the heating vans, some of which do not work.

James Shields · 09-06-2006, 08:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Alert

problem in the craven's is the heating vans, some of which do not work.

Something of a blessing, at least as long as the sunny weather lasts!

Thomas J Stamp · 09-06-2006, 09:15

Cravens are made from aluminium and the mrk2ds arent, which is why they are corroding. There is also a difference between what were the connolly mrk2's and the heuston ones, the connolly ones are in much better shape, I dont know why.

Apart from that, Cravens will freeze easily, they are steam heated and the lines give out and the vans dont work. Also, lets face it, they're over 40 years old, their time has gone.

ccos · 09-06-2006, 09:42

Unless they were built of pure aluminum (which I doubt) and not aluminum alloy or "Alclad" they would be highly susceptible to corrosion as well, I spend my working day grinding corrosion off or repairing sections of another type of mass transit vehicle made more or less exclusively of aluminum (you should see what a bit of spilled cola or a leaky toilet will do)
It doesn't matter what the material is what is important is a properly implemented CPCP (corrosion prevention & control programme), as you said the connolly cars are in better condition then the heuston ones.

Mark Gleeson · 09-06-2006, 09:42

Going off topic guys

James Shields · 09-06-2006, 10:23

There was a topic?

The fact is the Cravens and Mk2s are all life expired, and it's just a matter of keeping the least-worst of them running until new stock can enter service.

It's great news that a second CDE set has entered service. Hopefully that means IE are on the right track to getting the Cork line fully CDE operated.

I think there are still a few sets yet to arrive from Spain, and I notice the yard at the Point Depot is being dug up at the moment. Quite a bit of the digging seemed to be around the tracks across it. Are these tracks being reatined? Will IE have to find a new way of getting trains into the country?

I also suspect the union issue is still not fully resolved, so I hope there isn't a timebomb ticking away there.

Mark Gleeson · 09-06-2006, 10:38

We think 5 sets have been delivered, the coaches are coming through the Eucon container yard now

Currently the service needs 5 sets to run, if you tighten things up you can get away with 4 sets and rotate the 5th through as required if there is a major delay, the fact all trains have citygold accommodation allows this

MrX · 12-06-2006, 08:51

I was just wondering if we could clarify which trains are known to be operated by "MK4"?

I know the 0900 - Dublin - Cork is.

Mark Gleeson · 12-06-2006, 08:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrX

I was just wondering if we could clarify which trains are known to be operated by "MK4"?

I know the 0900 - Dublin - Cork is.

As is the 13:30 Cork Dublin except Saturday when its the 14:30.

This is still a trial train so it could be pulled from service at anytime

MrX · 12-06-2006, 10:06

So, at the moment it's still just the one set?

Mark Gleeson · 12-06-2006, 10:19

Second set due any day now but there are suspension tweaks for the first so it might still mean just one

21-05-2006, 21:22	#101
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The 5:30 set isn't the 9:00 set. There are no MK4's in Cork tonight to our knowledge Train A202 09:00 Dublin Heuston Cork Kent will be a MK4 There are 5 Cork sets 5:30 Cork Dublin 7:00 Cork Dublin (citygold) 7:00 Dublin Cork (citygold) 9:00 Dublin Cork 9:30 Cork Dublin Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 21-05-2006 at 21:27.

22-05-2006, 10:04	#102
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	Mark G is right, as per usual (waiting for the day and all that!) That 5.30 train is one I regualrly use and up till December was a Mark2d set, and fairly bad at that. In December was repleced by a Mk3. the crew is not the same crew as the 9.00am departure from Hesuton, but go down to Heston at about 845/50 and watch the crew leg it form their train to to 9.00am one to get back home as they go back as passangers on it. This I suppose is where people thought that as that cew go back on the 9.00 them they must bring the 5.30 with them. __________________ We are the passengers

22-05-2006, 11:18	#106
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	Thought it was the other way around. It left from Heuston at 9am arriving in Cork at 11:50am. Just wondering what time it would be heading back at. I suppose someone could give Kent station a ring and see if they've any idea when it's going back. I'd say IE will want to introduce the full fleet fairly soon though as the MK3s are in dire need of a few days at inchicore for a full servicing. Any ideas where they're going to be running? I assume they'll be taking up service on any remaining MK2 services? Last edited by MrX : 22-05-2006 at 11:27.

22-05-2006, 12:27	#109
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	that is excellent, cant wait for the full detailed techie review but lcp's review is more or less what i'm interested in as he's a normal punter who just wants to get somewhere without getting thrown around and his arse numbed into oblivion. so it sounds as though they have passed the test!! Mr X they'll gradually be increased as they get to the 10,000 mile mark of running in. There are no mark 2's on the Dublin Cork line so probably by September all of the Mark 3 will be gone from cork, I think all the Limerick rakes will be those Mark 3's from then as well as Galway, the mark2's from them being withdrawn. The cravens may live onm in their usual Friday only spots but the mk2's will go there eventually. Next year when the Intercity DMU's come in it'll be fun. I guess that the push pull mark 3 will get Belfast after a repaiint to shore up enterprise. Where the rest go is anyone's guess. __________________ We are the passengers Last edited by Thomas J Stamp : 22-05-2006 at 12:32.

09-06-2006, 09:15	#112
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	Cravens are made from aluminium and the mrk2ds arent, which is why they are corroding. There is also a difference between what were the connolly mrk2's and the heuston ones, the connolly ones are in much better shape, I dont know why. Apart from that, Cravens will freeze easily, they are steam heated and the lines give out and the vans dont work. Also, lets face it, they're over 40 years old, their time has gone. __________________ We are the passengers

22-05-2006, 11:08	#103
colmoc Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 140	dont know about the rest of you butI have been watching the board all morning to hear any news of the first run of the CDE so who was on it this morning

22-05-2006, 11:12	#104
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	Did it actually run at all or did it just enter non-passenger service?

22-05-2006, 11:14	#105
colmoc Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 140	just heard on the 12 o'clock news that it has just made its first official passanger run arriving in heuston just before 12.

22-05-2006, 11:38	#107
colmoc Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 140	sorry my bad you're right I just heard word heuston at the end of the broadcast

22-05-2006, 12:19	#108
why_does_planning_suck Regular Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 69	lostcarpark, if you took lots of photos then put a few up on the forum !

08-06-2006, 20:45	#110
Red Alert Regular Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 33	I've heard either here or over on boards.ie that the mk2's are suffering corrosion problems whereas the cravens are not, so they might be scrapped first. problem in the craven's is the heating vans, some of which do not work.

09-06-2006, 09:42	#113
ccos Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kazbegi Posts: 281	Unless they were built of pure aluminum (which I doubt) and not aluminum alloy or "Alclad" they would be highly susceptible to corrosion as well, I spend my working day grinding corrosion off or repairing sections of another type of mass transit vehicle made more or less exclusively of aluminum (you should see what a bit of spilled cola or a leaky toilet will do) It doesn't matter what the material is what is important is a properly implemented CPCP (corrosion prevention & control programme), as you said the connolly cars are in better condition then the heuston ones.

09-06-2006, 09:42	#114
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Going off topic guys

09-06-2006, 10:23	#115
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	There was a topic? The fact is the Cravens and Mk2s are all life expired, and it's just a matter of keeping the least-worst of them running until new stock can enter service. It's great news that a second CDE set has entered service. Hopefully that means IE are on the right track to getting the Cork line fully CDE operated. I think there are still a few sets yet to arrive from Spain, and I notice the yard at the Point Depot is being dug up at the moment. Quite a bit of the digging seemed to be around the tracks across it. Are these tracks being reatined? Will IE have to find a new way of getting trains into the country? I also suspect the union issue is still not fully resolved, so I hope there isn't a timebomb ticking away there.

09-06-2006, 10:38	#116
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	We think 5 sets have been delivered, the coaches are coming through the Eucon container yard now Currently the service needs 5 sets to run, if you tighten things up you can get away with 4 sets and rotate the 5th through as required if there is a major delay, the fact all trains have citygold accommodation allows this

12-06-2006, 08:51	#117
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	Can we clarify which trains are MK4/CDE I was just wondering if we could clarify which trains are known to be operated by "MK4"? I know the 0900 - Dublin - Cork is.

12-06-2006, 10:06	#119
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	So, at the moment it's still just the one set?

12-06-2006, 10:19	#120
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Second set due any day now but there are suspension tweaks for the first so it might still mean just one

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