Exit validation finally arrives - Page 4

Mark · 12-10-2006, 08:22

There are currently no machines operating in Tara Street - theyve all be ripped out.

Mark · 12-10-2006, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Blackrock is next, there will be 4 barriers

4 are accessible from the waiting room side door (the far end one next to the ramp to the bridge), only 2 are accessible from the second door

Tara Street northbound is next on the list, if they place a line of 6 or 7 turnstilies in the vacant area at the bottom of the stairs it should go down very well and speed up exit

Time and time again its people not having there ticket ready which is holding up the system

Are you sure its not 3 plus 3? Someone told me they are staggered. Maybe not.

Perhaps better signage reminding people to have their ticket ready is needed. It'll take a while for the mindset to change.

bigjim · 12-10-2006, 08:33

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Originally Posted by Mark

Are you sure its not 3 plus 3? Someone told me they are staggered. Maybe not.

Perhaps better signage reminding people to have their ticket ready is needed. It'll take a while for the mindset to change.

I was there yesterday, it looked staggered alright, 3 + 3 as you say.

Mark Gleeson · 12-10-2006, 08:46

The next station is Tara Street, mind the gap between the train and the platform please have your ticket ready for inspection.........

PaulM · 12-10-2006, 08:52

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Originally Posted by bigjim

I was there yesterday, it looked staggered alright, 3 + 3 as you say.

I am yet to see how that is going to work. It just makes fare evasion easier from what I have seen.

Mark · 12-10-2006, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The next station is Tara Street, mind the gap between the train and the platform please have your ticket ready for inspection.........

Yeah and just some signage/announcements on the way down the stairs.

I havent used them yet, tell me, do they take the tickets?

Mark Gleeson · 12-10-2006, 09:59

Well the 29000 units have been slowly driving us mad with the have your ticket ready pa

Its standard practice to retain the ticket. me thinks a field trial is justified

Terrontress · 17-10-2006, 08:26

It seems that there is one barrier left open in Lansdowne every morning with a piece of paper on it stating "Not in service".

What's the point in putting up the barriers if they are not going to turn them on?

And what is the point in people using those which have been switched on if they can just saunter through the open one.

Oisin88 · 18-10-2006, 21:12

I experienced manual ticket exit validation in person on Sunday evening.

Seapoint DART station has no ticket machine and no ticket office after it closes. Got the train to Tara and came down the stairs. Told yer man that I got on at Seapoint and wanted to get the luas to Hesuton. He hesisitated so I gave him 2 euro and he gave me 5 cent change. Is that the way it happens? no ticket, no receipt, just change from the checkers pocket?

How will the exit validation machines do this?

Mark Gleeson · 18-10-2006, 21:31

Seapoint is fun at night, normally when the ticket checker is faced with the werid ticket they point you towards the ticket office to sort it out

Interesting who a smartcard would deal with this

Maynooth_Line · 19-10-2006, 16:47

And what if you got on at Broombridge?

Oisin88 · 19-10-2006, 18:43

Maybe get on at seapoint and off at broombridge, for free

Mark Gleeson · 21-10-2006, 20:26

Blackrock is now on line with 4 gates

James Shields · 26-10-2006, 00:44

I passed through Tara St tonight. As mentioned earlier, the old-style turnstyles have been ripped out. There is now a row of new about 8 new-style gates at the bottom of the escalator/stairs to the northbound platform, perpendicular to the way the gates were before. It's not entirely clear where the gates for the southbound platform will go.

The gates all currently carry signs stating that they arenot in service.

Expect mass confusion on the first day they switch the new gates on!

Mark · 26-10-2006, 09:18

I was there last night James. Will be interesting to note if the machines will continue in line right along the foyer in front of the O'Reilly's window or what. There obviously isnt that much room at the foot of the southbound escalator.

Does anyone know if the EV machines are in place in the new Townsend Street exit? Opening date for that actually??

For anyone that doesnt know what the machines look like when turned on:

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Dont ask me why there are two green arrows on the lefthand machine..

Donal Quinn · 26-10-2006, 15:44

maybe i've misunderstood but
isn't putting barriers at the bottom of an escalator a bit dangerous?
if two people get confused then the crowd coming down has nowhere to go???

James Shields · 26-10-2006, 20:37

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Originally Posted by Donalq

maybe i've misunderstood but
isn't putting barriers at the bottom of an escalator a bit dangerous?
if two people get confused then the crowd coming down has nowhere to go???

There's a fairly bi gap at the bottom of the stairs/escalator (there are only "up" escalators in Tara St). Continuing the line right across the station would seem to make sense. That's more or less the way a lot of London Underground stations do it.

Incidently, itcould just be my perception, but the IE barriers feel slower than the LU ones. On the tube, if you have your ticket ready, you can insert the ticket, catch it as it spits out the top and keep walking through the barrier without breaking stride.

PaulM · 27-10-2006, 10:39

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Originally Posted by lostcarpark

Incidently, itcould just be my perception, but the IE barriers feel slower than the LU ones. On the tube, if you have your ticket ready, you can insert the ticket, catch it as it spits out the top and keep walking through the barrier without breaking stride.

I have only used the new barriers for entry but I did notice that, I was in a rush (DART at platform) and was trying to run. That two seconds was too long. London and Paris you can just keep walking. Once again IE existing technology and do it half arsed. Well done IE, you've kept up your standard.

Colm Donoghue · 27-10-2006, 10:47

Had a good look at the tara st barriers today.
For people exiting from the southbound platform, Zig-zag down the stairs, pass the glass wall beside the shop, cross across people going up to the platform, turn back on themselves through the exit machines.
I think some of the machines should have been where the glass wall is outside th efront of the shop.
It also looks narrow to get to the exit machines, resulting in people bunching.
a Serial in Parallell out scheme is never optimal for people queueing. parallel in/ parallel out like on the other platform side is best.

robdrysdale · 27-10-2006, 12:39

I've a colleague who has stumbled onto a serious (for him anyway) problem with the new Exit Validation?

He starts his journey in the morning on a feeder bus in Portmarnock, on which he pays an integrated fare to Blackrock. When he arrives in Blackrock he can't get through the gates (due to a Dublin Bus paper ticket that the machine can't take)?

Did IE think about this problem?

21-10-2006, 20:26	#73
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Blackrock is now on line with 4 gates Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 23-10-2006 at 15:38.

26-10-2006, 09:18	#75
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Northern line Posts: 1,311	I was there last night James. Will be interesting to note if the machines will continue in line right along the foyer in front of the O'Reilly's window or what. There obviously isnt that much room at the foot of the southbound escalator. Does anyone know if the EV machines are in place in the new Townsend Street exit? Opening date for that actually?? For anyone that doesnt know what the machines look like when turned on: Dont ask me why there are two green arrows on the lefthand machine.. Last edited by Mark : 26-10-2006 at 09:22.

27-10-2006, 10:47	#79
Colm Donoghue Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 873	tara st exit barriers Had a good look at the tara st barriers today. For people exiting from the southbound platform, Zig-zag down the stairs, pass the glass wall beside the shop, cross across people going up to the platform, turn back on themselves through the exit machines. I think some of the machines should have been where the glass wall is outside th efront of the shop. It also looks narrow to get to the exit machines, resulting in people bunching. a Serial in Parallell out scheme is never optimal for people queueing. parallel in/ parallel out like on the other platform side is best.

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12-10-2006, 08:22	#61
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Northern line Posts: 1,311	There are currently no machines operating in Tara Street - theyve all be ripped out.

12-10-2006, 08:46	#64
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The next station is Tara Street, mind the gap between the train and the platform please have your ticket ready for inspection.........

12-10-2006, 09:59	#67
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Well the 29000 units have been slowly driving us mad with the have your ticket ready pa Its standard practice to retain the ticket. me thinks a field trial is justified

17-10-2006, 08:26	#68
Terrontress Regular Poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 132	It seems that there is one barrier left open in Lansdowne every morning with a piece of paper on it stating "Not in service". What's the point in putting up the barriers if they are not going to turn them on? And what is the point in people using those which have been switched on if they can just saunter through the open one.

18-10-2006, 21:12	#69
Oisin88 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 608	I experienced manual ticket exit validation in person on Sunday evening. Seapoint DART station has no ticket machine and no ticket office after it closes. Got the train to Tara and came down the stairs. Told yer man that I got on at Seapoint and wanted to get the luas to Hesuton. He hesisitated so I gave him 2 euro and he gave me 5 cent change. Is that the way it happens? no ticket, no receipt, just change from the checkers pocket? How will the exit validation machines do this?

18-10-2006, 21:31	#70
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Seapoint is fun at night, normally when the ticket checker is faced with the werid ticket they point you towards the ticket office to sort it out Interesting who a smartcard would deal with this

19-10-2006, 16:47	#71
Maynooth_Line Regular Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 54	And what if you got on at Broombridge?

19-10-2006, 18:43	#72
Oisin88 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 608	Maybe get on at seapoint and off at broombridge, for free

26-10-2006, 00:44	#74
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	I passed through Tara St tonight. As mentioned earlier, the old-style turnstyles have been ripped out. There is now a row of new about 8 new-style gates at the bottom of the escalator/stairs to the northbound platform, perpendicular to the way the gates were before. It's not entirely clear where the gates for the southbound platform will go. The gates all currently carry signs stating that they arenot in service. Expect mass confusion on the first day they switch the new gates on!

26-10-2006, 15:44	#76
Donal Quinn Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 267	maybe i've misunderstood but isn't putting barriers at the bottom of an escalator a bit dangerous? if two people get confused then the crowd coming down has nowhere to go???

27-10-2006, 12:39	#80
robdrysdale Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 75	I've a colleague who has stumbled onto a serious (for him anyway) problem with the new Exit Validation? He starts his journey in the morning on a feeder bus in Portmarnock, on which he pays an integrated fare to Blackrock. When he arrives in Blackrock he can't get through the gates (due to a Dublin Bus paper ticket that the machine can't take)? Did IE think about this problem?