Pelletstown (D7/15) station PP application

[markpb]

Originally Posted by joey

With the broombridge luas connector starting (no sign yet) I doubt this will ever be built, let's be honest.

Infilling of basements (to protect them from collapse during construction) started several months ago and is nearly compete. The removal of the centrepiece at St Stephens Green (NE corner) started several weeks ago and forms part of the traffic reorganisation for the project. Relocation of utilities will start in January.

[Mark Gleeson]

There is a very large number of apartments in the area around that proposed station (a bridge is included) so it has good catchment. Its too far to walk to both Ashtown and Broombridge as it stands

Folks need to realise the Luas to Broombridge is going to radically shift the fortunes of the Maynooth line particularly for Dunboyne passengers as in the time it currently takes to get to Pearse you would be in Stephen's Green by Luas if you changed

Also provides a handy backup if Connolly is closed/blocked for any reason

[berneyarms]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

There is a very large number of apartments in the area around that proposed station (a bridge is included) so it has good catchment. Its too far to walk to both Ashtown and Broombridge as it stands

Folks need to realise the Luas to Broombridge is going to radically shift the fortunes of the Maynooth line particularly for Dunboyne passengers as in the time it currently takes to get to Pearse you would be in Stephen's Green by Luas if you changed

Also provides a handy backup if Connolly is closed/blocked for any reason

The question raised by that point Mark, is, how many of those people would be prepared to pay the extra money that would be required to get either a rail/luas ticket or pay separately on the LUAS?

Bear in mind that these people currently pay only the rail fare.

[Mark Gleeson]

Leap card will deal with that problem in part, journey to Broombridge only will likely be cheaper than going to Connolly plus Leap will soon offer transfer rebates so the fare on the second and subsequent leg of the journey will be discounted.

The Luas will open up an new route so will attract new passengers

The very long term goal is to remove any kind of operator specific fares, so moving towards something like Berlin, 1 ticket valid on operators. It will probably take decades to actual do.

[berneyarms]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Leap card will deal with that problem in part, journey to Broombridge only will likely be cheaper than going to Connolly plus Leap will soon offer transfer rebates so the fare on the second and subsequent leg of the journey will be discounted.

The Luas will open up an new route so will attract new passengers

The very long term goal is to remove any kind of operator specific fares, so moving towards something like Berlin, 1 ticket valid on operators. It will probably take decades to actual do.

That's fine for occasional users Mark - but I was really referring to regular daily commuters who are using period passes, and for the foreseeable future such people would have to pay more if they chose to travel by LUAS - I can't see that many people choosing to do that.

[Colm Moore]

I suppose it is about giving people choice and adding resilience to the system.

For someone going beyond St. Stephen's Green, not having to walk Pearse-SSG will be useful.

[markpb]

Originally Posted by berneyarms

such people would have to pay more if they chose to travel by LUAS

That's not set in stone - look at the recent changes to the Mullingar/Enfield route where the annual bus/rail ticket is almost the same price as either operator individually.

[berneyarms]

Originally Posted by Colm Moore

I suppose it is about giving people choice and adding resilience to the system.

For someone going beyond St. Stephen's Green, not having to walk Pearse-SSG will be useful.

Absolutely Colm - I was just making the point that people travelling to and from the city centre may not be as enthusiastic about changing if they have to pay the additional cost.

[joey]

Originally Posted by markpb

Infilling of basements (to protect them from collapse during construction) started several months ago and is nearly compete. The removal of the centrepiece at St Stephens Green (NE corner) started several weeks ago and forms part of the traffic reorganisation for the project. Relocation of utilities will start in January.

I recognise the work started elsewhere, just no sign of life at Broombridge - though there rarely is...

Be interesting if the Pelletstown Station ever comes off... Like where is the cash for this...

[karlr42]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

There is a very large number of apartments in the area around that proposed station (a bridge is included) so it has good catchment. Its too far to walk to both Ashtown and Broombridge as it stands

Don't really buy that. Looking at Google Maps, it's only a 15 minute walk from those apartments to either Ashtown or Broombridge. No way is that too far for a service that only operates once an hour anyway. The real winners with this station are Ashington residents, whose only experience with the train so far has been throwing rocks at them through the hole in the fence.

The losers are the existing passengers from further out, who get another delay. Having removed Reilly's level crossing and removed the delays that constantly come from that, it's replaced with a station stop. Electrification would solve these issues, and then more stops could be added, like between Drumcondra and Connolly. Let's hope that happens before the station is built.

[Inniskeen]

Continually adding stations on double track infrastructure means either comparatively infrequent services or impractically slow longer distance services. Neither market can be served effectively. This approach on the Bray/Greystones/Wexford line means that traffic on the line beyond Greystones has virtually collapsed as it is generally much quicker to drive and cheaper and no slower by bus.

While electrification might help, it is disruptive to install and massively disruptive in the event of overhead line problems. The recent performance of the DART systems suggests that electrification is no panacea and may not in fact deliver worthwhile journey time savings.

[Colm Moore]

This has been appealed to An Bord Pleanála.

[joey]

There you go, scrapped.
This will never come off, there cannot be the capital available for such a project..

[Mark Gleeson]

Capital is no problem, NTA is paying

The appeal may be thrown out on a technicality.

[joey]

Is there an envisaged construction start date???

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by joey

There you go, scrapped.

An appeal doesn't mean the appeal is guaranteed to work.

[joey]

Appreciate that alright, but just was wondering if there was a timetable in place now that planning was approved - bar the appeal of course

[drouse]

Here's an update on the planning permission for the Pelletstown train station-

http://www.davidrouse.com/index.php/...-planning-news

[drouse]

Here's some new information about the progress of planning for the train station at Pelletstown/Royal Canal Park-

http://www.davidrouse.com/index.php/...station-update

[drouse]

The station proposal was with An Bord Pleanála for determination as to whether it was Strategic Infrastructure Development.

That process has concluded (see http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/PC0182.htm) and the original planning appeal is now being considered.

On a related local development, the new overbridge at Reilly's level crossing (XG002) is due to be lifted into place in the coming weeks.