Enterprise trolley service - southerners being ripped off?

dowlingm · 22-03-2010, 21:19

I was looking at the IE site and pricing for Enterprise catering based off a discussion about train food pricing on another board and noticed the file name included "2008". Hmm sez I.

The STG-EUR differential on the menu is about 1.40 whereas the current exchange is about 1.12. I put it down to IE incompetence until I saw the same prices on Translink.

Can anyone confirm that this pricing remains in effect, and maybe have a whisper to the SBP if we're all still friends about this potential "ripoff Ireland" story?

Thomas Ralph · 22-03-2010, 21:52

Mark was quoted about this in the Sunday Times last month, in fact.

dowlingm · 22-03-2010, 21:58

Ah - I didn't see anything on the media or news sections so thought it might not be on the RUI radar.

Mark Gleeson · 22-03-2010, 22:59

Its just hard to get a digital copy of the Sunday Times. Jan Battles is the journalist, Sunday 7th or 13th not sure which

The price list on the Translink website is out of date, note how some items have different conversion ratios

We are working on a very special project about Enterprise more details in a few months, but its going to be very special

dowlingm · 23-03-2010, 02:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

We are working on a very special project about Enterprise more details in a few months, but its going to be very special

What - like terminating it to stop the nutsos in Norn Iron disrupting service south of Dundalk? Oh I kid, I kid.

Destructix · 09-11-2011, 00:40

I see this practice is still going on and they are making a bigger profit than people think. The drink is from the North too so they buy it at a lower VAT rate than here. Next time im paying in Sterling.

Thomas Ralph · 09-11-2011, 09:32

VAT is irrelevant because they claim back input VAT on their purchases and sales of food and beverages for immediate consumption on vehicles operating an international transport service are VAT-free.

Destructix · 09-11-2011, 12:25

Yet the pub is cheaper for drink. It's the same practice as Shannon heritage. €15 into Bunratty and then charging €2.20 for a tea and over €4 for a sandwich. The prices only go one way and that is up. I wonder what tourists must think of these prices it seems really off putting. And more insulting the produce is being sought up North at cheaper rates and sold on to us at ridiculous high prices. Like Dublin-Cork can you bring your own drink on the train?

Thomas Ralph · 09-11-2011, 15:47

You may bring and consume your own food and beverages (including alcohol) onto any Irish Rail service. Irish Rail attempts to designate DART and Commuter services, some GAA match specials, and Waterford line Sunday services as alcohol-free, but I don't think it has the legal right to do so.

NIR, on the other hand, prohibits consumption of alcohol on everything other than the Enterprise.

Colm Moore · 09-11-2011, 17:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Ralph

You may bring and consume your own food and beverages (including alcohol) onto any Irish Rail service. Irish Rail attempts to designate DART and Commuter services, some GAA match specials, and Waterford line Sunday services as alcohol-free, but I don't think it has the legal right to do so.

One still has to obey the notices of the company and (reasonable) instructions of staff.

Jamie2k9 · 09-11-2011, 19:31

Waterford line needs the ban. Although not enforeced very well they still had 3 passengers arested only 2 weeks ago.

Thomas Ralph · 10-11-2011, 09:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colm Moore

One still has to obey the notices of the company and (reasonable) instructions of staff.

Says what law? (Not being smart, but I can't find anything in the bye-laws more specific than

Quote:

18. (1) No person shall take or cause to be taken on to or into, or cause or allow to remain upon or in, the railway or any lift or vehicle, if requested not to do so by an authorised person, any animal, bird, article or thing which by reason of its nature, dimensions, weight or for any other reason whatsoever is in the opinion of such authorised person likely to cause or in fact does cause annoyance or injury to any passenger or damage to any property or an obstruction in any lift or in any corridor or gangway of any vehicle.

) and it's a stretch to say a can of Heineken would cause annoyance or injury to a passenger unless someone flings it around the carriage.

dowlingm · 10-11-2011, 16:40

18. (1) No person shall take or cause to be taken on to or into, or cause or allow to remain upon or in, the railway or any lift or vehicle, if requested not to do so by an authorised person, any ... thing which ... for any ... reason whatsoever is in the opinion of such authorised person likely to cause ... annoyance ... to any passenger.

Loads of leeway there

Thomas Ralph · 11-11-2011, 10:18

Again, the thing is not going to cause annoyance. The behaviour of the person after he drinks the contents of the thing is. I can't see this one standing up in court.

Mark Gleeson · 11-11-2011, 10:55

Same goes for the Rail Safety Act intoxicated section

dowlingm · 11-11-2011, 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

We are working on a very special project about Enterprise more details in a few months, but its going to be very special

Did anything come of this by the way?

22-03-2010, 21:19	#1
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	Enterprise trolley service - southerners being ripped off? I was looking at the IE site and pricing for Enterprise catering based off a discussion about train food pricing on another board and noticed the file name included "2008". Hmm sez I. The STG-EUR differential on the menu is about 1.40 whereas the current exchange is about 1.12. I put it down to IE incompetence until I saw the same prices on Translink. Can anyone confirm that this pricing remains in effect, and maybe have a whisper to the SBP if we're all still friends about this potential "ripoff Ireland" story?

22-03-2010, 22:59	#4
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Its just hard to get a digital copy of the Sunday Times. Jan Battles is the journalist, Sunday 7th or 13th not sure which The price list on the Translink website is out of date, note how some items have different conversion ratios We are working on a very special project about Enterprise more details in a few months, but its going to be very special __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

11-11-2011, 10:55	#15
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Same goes for the Rail Safety Act intoxicated section __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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22-03-2010, 21:52	#2
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	Mark was quoted about this in the Sunday Times last month, in fact.

22-03-2010, 21:58	#3
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	Ah - I didn't see anything on the media or news sections so thought it might not be on the RUI radar.

09-11-2011, 00:40	#6
Destructix Really Regular Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: North Tipperary Posts: 258	I see this practice is still going on and they are making a bigger profit than people think. The drink is from the North too so they buy it at a lower VAT rate than here. Next time im paying in Sterling.

09-11-2011, 09:32	#7
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	VAT is irrelevant because they claim back input VAT on their purchases and sales of food and beverages for immediate consumption on vehicles operating an international transport service are VAT-free.

09-11-2011, 12:25	#8
Destructix Really Regular Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: North Tipperary Posts: 258	Yet the pub is cheaper for drink. It's the same practice as Shannon heritage. €15 into Bunratty and then charging €2.20 for a tea and over €4 for a sandwich. The prices only go one way and that is up. I wonder what tourists must think of these prices it seems really off putting. And more insulting the produce is being sought up North at cheaper rates and sold on to us at ridiculous high prices. Like Dublin-Cork can you bring your own drink on the train?

09-11-2011, 15:47	#9
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	You may bring and consume your own food and beverages (including alcohol) onto any Irish Rail service. Irish Rail attempts to designate DART and Commuter services, some GAA match specials, and Waterford line Sunday services as alcohol-free, but I don't think it has the legal right to do so. NIR, on the other hand, prohibits consumption of alcohol on everything other than the Enterprise.

09-11-2011, 19:31	#11
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	Waterford line needs the ban. Although not enforeced very well they still had 3 passengers arested only 2 weeks ago.

10-11-2011, 16:40	#13
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	18. (1) No person shall take or cause to be taken on to or into, or cause or allow to remain upon or in, the railway or any lift or vehicle, if requested not to do so by an authorised person, any ... thing which ... for any ... reason whatsoever is in the opinion of such authorised person likely to cause ... annoyance ... to any passenger. Loads of leeway there

11-11-2011, 10:18	#14
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	Again, the thing is not going to cause annoyance. The behaviour of the person after he drinks the contents of the thing is. I can't see this one standing up in court.