Enterprise fleet refurbishment - Page 9

Mickey H · 02-04-2016, 14:22

Single C3K on 1235+1520 today

Inniskeen · 03-04-2016, 06:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Timetable already considers the issue with the Dundalk train, its overtaken using the loop at Clongriffin

It didn't when I made the post !

Mark Gleeson · 04-04-2016, 08:25

3 Enterprise sets have now entered revenue service. Set 3 entered service in recent days

Sets 1,3 are on Dublin Belfast, set 2 is now in Inchicore for training

April 10th timetable is going to happen

Inniskeen · 04-04-2016, 16:20

It may be going to happen but it is somewhat of a work of fiction as much of what is scheduled is a nonsense. I imagine it is going ahead to save the embarassment of going to NIR and telling them that the whole thing is unnecessary !

The only change that needs to be made is to re-instate the 2005 from Belfast. Everything else is of no benefit to anybody and requires a series of further changes which have yet to dawn on Irish Rail.

Inniskeen · 05-04-2016, 07:23

From the Irish Rail web site !
Belfast Enterprise schedule changes from 10th April. DART and other Connolly routes unchanged

30 March 2016

Planned changes to DART and other Connolly routes will not proceed.

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that planned changes to DART and other Connolly routes planned from 10th April will not proceed, with the exception of some minor changes to Belfast Enterprise services.

In summary:

DART services will continue to operate to their current schedule. Additional capacity will be provided at peak times in response to demand.
Maynooth / M3 Parkway, Sligo, Rosslare Europort and Drogheda/Dundalk Commuter (excluding departure times to Enterprise trains - see below) services will remain unchanged.
Belfast Enterprise services will see some minor changes from 10th April. Customers are advised to check times before travel.
Full information is available through the journey planner above and through our timetables section.

What does the word unchanged mean in "DART and other Connolly routes unchanged" - clearly not what is says as there are changes advised in the journey planner and others that will have to be made in short order !

Mickey H · 06-04-2016, 15:51

Railcar on 1520 and 1810. DD seems to have failed in Dublin as no report of problem with 1235 ex Belfast

Padna · 06-04-2016, 17:26

Currently on the 1805 southbound from Belfast and it's an Enterprise.

Mickey H · 06-04-2016, 17:33

The (obviously false) information was from the translink train status page which has since been deleted

Padna · 13-04-2016, 06:49

0645 southbound is stopped on the line just south of Portadown this morning. Due to a 'train fault' according to Translink's Twitter feed.

Padna · 13-04-2016, 06:55

Believe there's also a problem with the 0735 northbound. Not good when neither of the early morning services will reach its destination on time!

Inniskeen · 13-04-2016, 09:19

Second day in a row for the 0735 !

1850 Belfast every evening due to defective timetable, taking almost 70 minutes to reach Dundalk - a complete farce, it appears any old rubbish seems acceptable and IR will resist re-instating previous departure time or more logically moving departure to 1905 which would save about twenty minutes on the current insulting performance.

Surprise, Surprise, the 0645 from Belfast has not reached Dublin on time once so far this week despite reasonably punctual departures from Drogheda on Monday and Tuesday.

James Shields · 13-04-2016, 09:40

7:35 arrived in Drogheda about 8:25. First time I've seen refurbished Enterprise stock on that train.

6:45 from Belfast arrived in Drogheda 15 mins late at 8:35, and got to Dublin at 9:15.

On an unrelated note, the Enterprise liveried locos have a fancy swoosh that lines up with the coach livery. I wonder how long they'll manage to keep the swooshes facing the right way?

James

Mark Gleeson · 13-04-2016, 11:08

The locomotives will only work one way around as they only have the MMI socket on the Dublin end. Sure the train can move without MMI

By default the Enterprise locomotives have been the correct way around since the DD's arrived. If a loco is the wrong way around it will be turned at Belfast Great Victoria Street or unlikely but possible at Kilkenny or Limerick Junction

The cab in 206/7/8/9 is actually bigger on the Belfast end

Mickey H · 13-04-2016, 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Padna

Believe there's also a problem with the 0735 northbound. Not good when neither of the early morning services will reach its destination on time!

Don't know what happened today but yesterday 0735 was failed before departure and an ICR replaced it

Mickey H · 14-04-2016, 10:11

0650 ex Belfast failed on arrival in Dublin this morning. 0800 ex Belfast formed 0935 departing 50 late

ACustomer · 14-04-2016, 11:05

Does anyone know what the real problem is with the DD refurbishment?

The refurbished sets seem (according to reports on this site) to be failing practically every day. Is this just "teething" problems, or has the whole project been done incompetently?

I am inclined to think that there is deep incompetence at work: the project has been way over time, and Inchicore had to lend a hand with a few coaches.

I wonder if we will be told if it's over budget as well. In which case watch out for some other work, such as badly needed per way work, to be postponed in order to free up the funds.

Just wondering, but the whole thing looks a right mess.

Thomas J Stamp · 14-04-2016, 14:28

well, they certainly haven't had the same run in time off service that was given to either the 22K or the Mark 4's (and if i am right the refurbished original DARTS) so this sort of thing will happen.

Jamie2k9 · 14-04-2016, 15:16

Quote:

well, they certainly haven't had the same run in time off service that was given to either the 22K or the Mark 4's (and if i am right the refurbished original DARTS) so this sort of thing will happen.

That's by choice not requirement, so it's not a excuse they can even think about using as there was noting stopping them carrying out lots of test runs.

This is worse than HEP ops

Thomas J Stamp · 14-04-2016, 15:52

thats my point.

it did take an extraordinary amount of time to get the Mark 3 gen vans done. dont forget there was an idea floating about (in fact an aim) to have hourly enterprises with a mixture of DD+mark3 gen vans and refurbished mark3 sets.

i guess it was just beyond them.

James Shields · 14-04-2016, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp

i guess it was just beyond them.

Beyond their funding, anyway.

Is there funding available for hourly Enterprise? If there was, do the Mk3 sets still exist?

02-04-2016, 14:22	#161
Mickey H Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 279	Single C3K on 1235+1520 today __________________ 26271 12-60

04-04-2016, 08:25	#163
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	3 Enterprise sets have now entered revenue service. Set 3 entered service in recent days Sets 1,3 are on Dublin Belfast, set 2 is now in Inchicore for training April 10th timetable is going to happen __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

06-04-2016, 15:51	#166
Mickey H Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 279	Railcar on 1520 and 1810. DD seems to have failed in Dublin as no report of problem with 1235 ex Belfast __________________ 26271 12-60

06-04-2016, 17:33	#168
Mickey H Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 279	The (obviously false) information was from the translink train status page which has since been deleted __________________ 26271 12-60

13-04-2016, 11:08	#173
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The locomotives will only work one way around as they only have the MMI socket on the Dublin end. Sure the train can move without MMI By default the Enterprise locomotives have been the correct way around since the DD's arrived. If a loco is the wrong way around it will be turned at Belfast Great Victoria Street or unlikely but possible at Kilkenny or Limerick Junction The cab in 206/7/8/9 is actually bigger on the Belfast end __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

04-04-2016, 16:20	#164
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	It may be going to happen but it is somewhat of a work of fiction as much of what is scheduled is a nonsense. I imagine it is going ahead to save the embarassment of going to NIR and telling them that the whole thing is unnecessary ! The only change that needs to be made is to re-instate the 2005 from Belfast. Everything else is of no benefit to anybody and requires a series of further changes which have yet to dawn on Irish Rail.

05-04-2016, 07:23	#165
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	From the Irish Rail web site ! Belfast Enterprise schedule changes from 10th April. DART and other Connolly routes unchanged 30 March 2016 Planned changes to DART and other Connolly routes will not proceed. Iarnród Éireann advises customers that planned changes to DART and other Connolly routes planned from 10th April will not proceed, with the exception of some minor changes to Belfast Enterprise services. In summary: DART services will continue to operate to their current schedule. Additional capacity will be provided at peak times in response to demand. Maynooth / M3 Parkway, Sligo, Rosslare Europort and Drogheda/Dundalk Commuter (excluding departure times to Enterprise trains - see below) services will remain unchanged. Belfast Enterprise services will see some minor changes from 10th April. Customers are advised to check times before travel. Full information is available through the journey planner above and through our timetables section. What does the word unchanged mean in "DART and other Connolly routes unchanged" - clearly not what is says as there are changes advised in the journey planner and others that will have to be made in short order !

06-04-2016, 17:26	#167
Padna Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 69	Currently on the 1805 southbound from Belfast and it's an Enterprise.

13-04-2016, 06:49	#169
Padna Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 69	0645 southbound is stopped on the line just south of Portadown this morning. Due to a 'train fault' according to Translink's Twitter feed.

13-04-2016, 06:55	#170
Padna Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 69	Believe there's also a problem with the 0735 northbound. Not good when neither of the early morning services will reach its destination on time!

13-04-2016, 09:19	#171
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	Second day in a row for the 0735 ! 1850 Belfast every evening due to defective timetable, taking almost 70 minutes to reach Dundalk - a complete farce, it appears any old rubbish seems acceptable and IR will resist re-instating previous departure time or more logically moving departure to 1905 which would save about twenty minutes on the current insulting performance. Surprise, Surprise, the 0645 from Belfast has not reached Dublin on time once so far this week despite reasonably punctual departures from Drogheda on Monday and Tuesday.

13-04-2016, 09:40	#172
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	7:35 arrived in Drogheda about 8:25. First time I've seen refurbished Enterprise stock on that train. 6:45 from Belfast arrived in Drogheda 15 mins late at 8:35, and got to Dublin at 9:15. On an unrelated note, the Enterprise liveried locos have a fancy swoosh that lines up with the coach livery. I wonder how long they'll manage to keep the swooshes facing the right way? James

14-04-2016, 10:11	#175
Mickey H Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 279	0650 ex Belfast failed on arrival in Dublin this morning. 0800 ex Belfast formed 0935 departing 50 late __________________ 26271 12-60

14-04-2016, 11:05	#176
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	Does anyone know what the real problem is with the DD refurbishment? The refurbished sets seem (according to reports on this site) to be failing practically every day. Is this just "teething" problems, or has the whole project been done incompetently? I am inclined to think that there is deep incompetence at work: the project has been way over time, and Inchicore had to lend a hand with a few coaches. I wonder if we will be told if it's over budget as well. In which case watch out for some other work, such as badly needed per way work, to be postponed in order to free up the funds. Just wondering, but the whole thing looks a right mess.

14-04-2016, 14:28	#177
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	well, they certainly haven't had the same run in time off service that was given to either the 22K or the Mark 4's (and if i am right the refurbished original DARTS) so this sort of thing will happen. __________________ We are the passengers

14-04-2016, 15:52	#179
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	thats my point. it did take an extraordinary amount of time to get the Mark 3 gen vans done. dont forget there was an idea floating about (in fact an aim) to have hourly enterprises with a mixture of DD+mark3 gen vans and refurbished mark3 sets. i guess it was just beyond them. __________________ We are the passengers

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