Phoenix Park tunnel may reopen to passenger trains

niallm · 20-07-2013, 10:26

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29434757.html

Does Luas Broombridge mean that Phoenix Park tunnel trains could connect usefully with something prior to Connolly?

Mark Gleeson · 20-07-2013, 10:43

No connection between the two sadly.

Its all well and good saying Connolly has capacity but it doesn't really even after the upgrade.

And the line did carry daily scheduled passenger services until 1981 when the through boat train stopped running.

Colm Moore · 20-07-2013, 15:59

I understand there was a service 100 years ago, but it didn't work, due to the time penalty involved in going around the city.

Luas will cross the line here: http://binged.it/1azywWj which is slightly inaccessible / remote and would only really be useful if the Batchelors factor was redeveloped.

We'll have to see what the proposals are.

Inniskeen · 20-07-2013, 22:26

The local service 100 years ago was between Kingsbridge and North Wall serving Glasnevin and Drumcondra. This was in addition to boat train services from the southern, midland and northern lines to the LNWR station at North Wall. Shades of Docklands although today's service is a lot busier than the earlier version !

Jamie2k9 · 20-07-2013, 23:18

This must be stopped as it does nothing and will have zero benefit. It won't be able to offer the frequency, flexibility or timing as the Luas as it will require more work for the passengers.

Currently we have, train to Heuston, Luas to Connolly, train to xxx
What we will have is train to Heuston, walk/bus to plt 10, train to Connolly and train to xxx.

The only answer to Dublin transport system is the Dart interconnector.

Inniskeen · 21-07-2013, 07:48

I would imagine that there will be some through services from the southern line to Pearse or Grand Canal Dock - perhaps two trains an hour each way. The elimination of a mode change at Heuston should prove attractive as should direct services to Drumcondra.

While the proposal is modest it does take advantage of underused assets (KRP, Phoenix Park, post city centre re-signalling through Connolly, Tara Street and Pearse) and could be expanded by running some services off the southern line into the Docklands.

As it is a near zero cost proposal, it is well worth implementing and should generate a few thousand extra trips per day.

20-07-2013, 10:26	#1
niallm Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 29	Phoenix Park tunnel may reopen to passenger trains http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29434757.html Does Luas Broombridge mean that Phoenix Park tunnel trains could connect usefully with something prior to Connolly?

20-07-2013, 10:43	#2
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	No connection between the two sadly. Its all well and good saying Connolly has capacity but it doesn't really even after the upgrade. And the line did carry daily scheduled passenger services until 1981 when the through boat train stopped running. __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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Colm Moore Local Liaison Officer Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,442	I understand there was a service 100 years ago, but it didn't work, due to the time penalty involved in going around the city. Luas will cross the line here: http://binged.it/1azywWj which is slightly inaccessible / remote and would only really be useful if the Batchelors factor was redeveloped. We'll have to see what the proposals are. __________________ Last edited by Colm Moore : 20-07-2013 at 16:05.

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20-07-2013, 22:26	#4
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	The local service 100 years ago was between Kingsbridge and North Wall serving Glasnevin and Drumcondra. This was in addition to boat train services from the southern, midland and northern lines to the LNWR station at North Wall. Shades of Docklands although today's service is a lot busier than the earlier version !

20-07-2013, 23:18	#5
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	This must be stopped as it does nothing and will have zero benefit. It won't be able to offer the frequency, flexibility or timing as the Luas as it will require more work for the passengers. Currently we have, train to Heuston, Luas to Connolly, train to xxx What we will have is train to Heuston, walk/bus to plt 10, train to Connolly and train to xxx. The only answer to Dublin transport system is the Dart interconnector.

21-07-2013, 07:48	#6
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	I would imagine that there will be some through services from the southern line to Pearse or Grand Canal Dock - perhaps two trains an hour each way. The elimination of a mode change at Heuston should prove attractive as should direct services to Drumcondra. While the proposal is modest it does take advantage of underused assets (KRP, Phoenix Park, post city centre re-signalling through Connolly, Tara Street and Pearse) and could be expanded by running some services off the southern line into the Docklands. As it is a near zero cost proposal, it is well worth implementing and should generate a few thousand extra trips per day.