8100 PIS Changes (and not for the better)

[Dublin13]

One of the best thing about the 8100 class is that they are the only units in the fleet that have a working and reliable PIS system that rarely fails, unlike the other sets which rarely work.

The last couple of days I'd seen a number of units go around with unusually blank screens having rarely saw, and wondered what was going on, but having been on 85xx's for the last few days never got to see them up close.

I was on a 8100 this morning and last night and first the positives, next station and destination is now fully in Irish, rather than saying next station and destination in English and having the station name in Irish alongside it. However that is where the good news ends

The issues I've seen on BOTH sets:
- The units that have been upgraded seem to always have blank side screens
- They're using an old destination list, since they don't know Clongriffin exists.
- Announcements are not always bilingual, I herd some stations be called in only English.

So instead of fixing the 85xx's that don't work, we now have 8100s that don't work properly as well that worked fine for years.

Great job.

[Thomas J Stamp]

well, this is what is called providing a standardised service.

[James Howard]

I believe there is some sort of PIS goblin that infects the systems on trains in Ireland. It seems to take a few years from when a train enters service but eventually, the passenger information system withers away and dies.

This problem does not exist anywhere else on Earth.

[Dublin13]

The system in the 8500 class trains is just crap though although I believe there is more than one system in those, since it's not unknown for the displays, the outer displays and the announcements to be all at odds with each other and that is before you consider the on-board electronic maps that are dead for years. They reguarly conflict with each other and have no idea where they are going and frequently get stuck. The displays are blank about 50% of the time.

The 8100 system was always reliable and lets face it, the equipment looks far less cheap and nasty than on the other trains in pretty much the whole fleet and only tends to fail if some driver programs it incorrectly, or doesn't reprogram it when changing direction, which is rare but occasionally does happen. But you never hear the wrong stations being called out or the system being behind and I've never seen the displays turned completely off inside.

Personally since Siemens could clearly install a system that is reliable and works they should have fitted the entire fleet with the same equipment, but then again even with good and reliable systems, as has now been shown, Irish rail can still mess that up.

[James Howard]

Given that they do seem to deteriorate over time I wouldn't be surprised if the underlying issue was something like moisture in the electrical connections between cars.

[Thomas J Stamp]

i think its just the fact that they are operating in ireland. i fondly remember the days of the route and destination scrolls on the busses, which would never be correct all the way round.

"is this bus going to Finglas?" you'd ask the driver/conductor
"no"
"it says Finglas on the front"
"it says India on the tyres but its not going there either"

[Dublin13]

Originally Posted by James Howard

Given that they do seem to deteriorate over time I wouldn't be surprised if the underlying issue was something like moisture in the electrical connections between cars.

Whilst that may be the case with the 8500 class units, which have had problems for years and almost since introduction, their issues have been ongoing and have never been fixed, about 50% of the 8500 I am on have dead internal displays and it's very rare I find a unit with external, internal and announcements all working.

The 8100 systems have been very reliable and the only time they are incorrect is when the driver doesn't program the return journey when changing ends at a terminus. The problems with them appears to simply be caused by the software upgrade, the fact that units don't know Clongriffin exists is totally down to Irish Rail using an old station list or worse still, using an old software version to update with the Irish rather than the latest one.

It's no surprise that Siemens managed to fit a better system than Tokyu Car though, they used a very highly regarded company for all of the PIS systems.