[13-14/07/2010] Enterprise services

ThomasJ · 13-07-2010, 08:35

irish rail are saying that enterprise services are running between portadown and dublin only

Bus transfers are operating from newry for belfast passengers

What is deeply worrying is the bbc are saying in the height of the parade trouble yesterday, there was an attempt to hijack and set fire to an enterprise train in lurgan yesterday and the driver had just managed to pull off.

They are saying translink are not taking that risk at the moment and rightly so!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/northern_...d/10609926.stm

Mark Gleeson · 13-07-2010, 08:46

The video post incident looks extremely dodgy

http://www.u.tv/News/Trouble-flares-...e-eb091bf4d146

karlr42 · 13-07-2010, 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The video post incident looks extremely dodgy

http://www.u.tv/News/Trouble-flares-...e-eb091bf4d146

Certainly does!

Colm Moore · 13-07-2010, 10:56

Theres a candidate for a bridge.

ThomasJ · 13-07-2010, 11:41

from translink http://www.translink.co.uk/latesttra...p#story_184114

Quote:

Enterprise - Dublin Line Closure 13-Jul-2010 6:53
Due to earlier civil unrest in the Lurgan area the rail line from Belfast to Dublin is closed between Lisburn and Portadown.

As a result passengers will be bused between Belfast Central and Newry...the Enterprise service will still operate between Portadown and Dublin however some delays may be experienced.

For further information please call the Translink Contact Centre on 02890 66 66 30.

Colm Moore · 13-07-2010, 13:54

Some delays to Enterprise and Northern line commuter services.

http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/travel_alerts.asp?action=view&news_id=847

Quote:

Security alert - Belfast line by Corporate Communications

UPDATE 13th July 2010 - 06.30hrs

Due to an ongoing security alert, Belfast Enterprise services are currently operating as follows:

Trains will operate between Dublin and Portadown only.

Customers travelling to/from Belfast can avail of a bus transfer between Newry and Belfast.

Iarnród Éireann apologises for the inconvenience caused.

ThomasJ · 13-07-2010, 14:05

did anyone listen to liveline? Apparently peoples luggage was stolen and burnt according to boards.ie and barry kenny was on liveline

Mark Gleeson · 13-07-2010, 14:12

I see a massive lawsuit here...

It wasn't a terrorist incident so CIV and EC/1371/2007 applies and certain requirements must be satisfied

Someone opened a door and I don't think the scumbags know the emergency door release. Even if a gun was present, from track side you are extremely secure position onboard. The scumbags tried to knock in the windscreen but it held

No sign of any police or army, and the train was stationary for quite a while thats not good enough. That said management of Irish Rail and Translink need a risk assessment, Lurgan was going to be a problem

Mark Gleeson · 13-07-2010, 15:05

Quote:

1. The carrier shall be liable for loss or damage resulting from the total or partial loss of, or damage to, registered luggage between the time of taking over by the carrier and the time of delivery as well as from delay in delivery.
2. The carrier shall be relieved of this liability to the extent that the loss, damage or delay in delivery was caused by a fault of the passenger, by an order given by the passenger other than as a result of the fault of the carrier, by an inherent defect in the registered luggage or by circumstances which the carrier could not avoid and the consequences of which he was unable to prevent.
3. The carrier shall be relieved of this liability to the extent that the loss or damage arises from the special risks inherent in one or more of the following circumstances:
(a) the absence or inadequacy of packing; (b) the special nature of the luggage; (c) the consignment as luggage of articles not acceptable for carriage.

Good old CIV, Extract from Uniform Rules concerning the contract for international carriage of passengers and luggage by rail (CIV)

zag · 13-07-2010, 15:17

From that wording ("registered luggage") it looks like people won't be covered unless they checked in luggage - if that's still possible these days.

z

Mark Gleeson · 13-07-2010, 15:19

Ah but registered is luggage stored by the railway company, not stuff you carry yourself

Under the law the fact you had no ticket for it doesn't release the railway company. Legally if the luggage was in the care of the company it is deemed registered

Mark Gleeson · 13-07-2010, 15:32

Listened to it and its not clear

1. How the scumbags accessed the train is unclear, it was through the offside cab door, which should have been locked

2. After gaining entry the secure luggage area in the control car was emptied. The door between the luggage and first class area is a security door as previously it was used to carry mail

3. The passenger area remained secure. From the video I have a single window in the first class coach/control car was damaged but intact. The secondman side windscreen on the control car had damage from several rocks thrown at it

4. Usual incompetent delivery of information in Connolly, staff standing around not knowing what was going on and a information display saying the train was on time.

5. How the train was brought to a halt in the first place is question the line is in a curve at the point in question so the driver wouldn't have a clear line of sight and certainly wouldn't be able to stop

karlr42 · 13-07-2010, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Listened to it and its not clear

1. How the scumbags accessed the train is unclear, it was through the offside cab door, which should have been locked

2. After gaining entry the secure luggage area in the control car was emptied. The door between the luggage and first class area is a security door as previously it was used to carry mail

3. The passenger area remained secure. From the video I have a single window in the first class coach/control car was damaged but intact. The secondman side windscreen on the control car had damage from several rocks thrown at it

4. Usual incompetent delivery of information in Connolly, staff standing around not knowing what was going on and a information display saying the train was on time.

5. How the train was brought to a halt in the first place is question the line is in a curve at the point in question so the driver wouldn't have a clear line of sight and certainly wouldn't be able to stop

The RTE report doesn't shed very much more light on it:

Quote:

The driver stopped the train and the group then set his cab on fire.

The driver locked the doors on the train so the attackers were not able to get onboard. However, they did steal several pieces of luggage.

As regards the offside door, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was unlocked- I often see trains coming out of Pearse with the cab doors for cabs sandwiched in a formation wide open from the driver having changed ends, and the interior cab doors don't seem to be locked either in my experience.

Kilocharlie · 13-07-2010, 15:49

Perhaps they interfered with the barriers and, if thebarriers failed to close properly, that would have given the driver a caution aspect at the distant signal ?

Was the driver not in that DVT cab where they gained entry?

Mark Gleeson · 13-07-2010, 16:01

The passenger doors on the train are locked and can be only be unlocked when stationary using a guards key from a coach end control panel or by the driver from the locomotive or control car. They can be opened from outside if you know how

Entry was via the offside control car cab door, where the driver was.

Had it been a signaling stop, the train would have stopped 200m from the crossing.

Colm Moore · 13-07-2010, 17:33

16:43 - Portadown-Dublin Connolly running 23 minutes late at Balbriggan

http://irishrail.ie/your_journey/results.asp

Quote:

16:43 - Portadown to Dublin Connolly (A131) 18:15 18:48 20 Mins Departed Balbriggan

chris · 13-07-2010, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

5. How the train was brought to a halt in the first place is question the line is in a curve at the point in question so the driver wouldn't have a clear line of sight and certainly wouldn't be able to stop

First of all: Christ - is it any wonder I left.

Mark, I understand from the pictures the train was travelling southbound. Is it possible the signal just north of Lurgan stopped the train? It slows every local train to a stop while the barriers come down on the Antrim Road and Lake Street. I've never been sure if it affects the Enterprise in the same way, since I'm never on the Enterprise the whole way from Belfast.

It does seem the barriers were closed correctly.

ThomasJ · 13-07-2010, 18:47

how many passengers were on this train mark?

Also with regards to the cross-border commitee can this issue be raised given there is constant disruption in lurgan before yesterdays incident

Whats the next move for passengers on that train?

chris · 13-07-2010, 18:53

http://www.u.tv/News/Trouble-flares-...e-eb091bf4d146

55 passengers

Mark Gleeson · 13-07-2010, 19:12

RTE quoted 110 on board

If luggage was stolen/damaged a passenger should apply in writing to Translink or Irish Rail under the CIV rules providing evidence that they were onboard and a statement of the loss incurred

http://www.otif.org/pdf_external/e/RU-CIV-1999-e.PDF

The only exclusion I can find in the rules applies to nuclear incidents

13-07-2010, 08:35	#1
ThomasJ Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 2,812	[13-14/07/2010] Enterprise services irish rail are saying that enterprise services are running between portadown and dublin only Bus transfers are operating from newry for belfast passengers What is deeply worrying is the bbc are saying in the height of the parade trouble yesterday, there was an attempt to hijack and set fire to an enterprise train in lurgan yesterday and the driver had just managed to pull off. They are saying translink are not taking that risk at the moment and rightly so!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/northern_...d/10609926.stm Last edited by ThomasJ : 13-07-2010 at 08:49.

13-07-2010, 08:46	#2
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The video post incident looks extremely dodgy http://www.u.tv/News/Trouble-flares-...e-eb091bf4d146 __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

13-07-2010, 10:56	#4
Colm Moore Local Liaison Officer Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,442	Theres a candidate for a bridge. __________________

13-07-2010, 14:12	#8
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	I see a massive lawsuit here... It wasn't a terrorist incident so CIV and EC/1371/2007 applies and certain requirements must be satisfied Someone opened a door and I don't think the scumbags know the emergency door release. Even if a gun was present, from track side you are extremely secure position onboard. The scumbags tried to knock in the windscreen but it held No sign of any police or army, and the train was stationary for quite a while thats not good enough. That said management of Irish Rail and Translink need a risk assessment, Lurgan was going to be a problem __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

13-07-2010, 15:19	#11
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Ah but registered is luggage stored by the railway company, not stuff you carry yourself Under the law the fact you had no ticket for it doesn't release the railway company. Legally if the luggage was in the care of the company it is deemed registered __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

13-07-2010, 14:05	#7
ThomasJ Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 2,812	did anyone listen to liveline? Apparently peoples luggage was stolen and burnt according to boards.ie and barry kenny was on liveline

13-07-2010, 15:17	#10
zag Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 199	From that wording ("registered luggage") it looks like people won't be covered unless they checked in luggage - if that's still possible these days. z

13-07-2010, 15:32	#12
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Listened to it and its not clear 1. How the scumbags accessed the train is unclear, it was through the offside cab door, which should have been locked 2. After gaining entry the secure luggage area in the control car was emptied. The door between the luggage and first class area is a security door as previously it was used to carry mail 3. The passenger area remained secure. From the video I have a single window in the first class coach/control car was damaged but intact. The secondman side windscreen on the control car had damage from several rocks thrown at it 4. Usual incompetent delivery of information in Connolly, staff standing around not knowing what was going on and a information display saying the train was on time. 5. How the train was brought to a halt in the first place is question the line is in a curve at the point in question so the driver wouldn't have a clear line of sight and certainly wouldn't be able to stop __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

13-07-2010, 15:49	#14
Kilocharlie Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 395	Perhaps they interfered with the barriers and, if thebarriers failed to close properly, that would have given the driver a caution aspect at the distant signal ? Was the driver not in that DVT cab where they gained entry?

13-07-2010, 16:01	#15
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The passenger doors on the train are locked and can be only be unlocked when stationary using a guards key from a coach end control panel or by the driver from the locomotive or control car. They can be opened from outside if you know how Entry was via the offside control car cab door, where the driver was. Had it been a signaling stop, the train would have stopped 200m from the crossing. __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

13-07-2010, 18:47	#18
ThomasJ Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 2,812	how many passengers were on this train mark? Also with regards to the cross-border commitee can this issue be raised given there is constant disruption in lurgan before yesterdays incident Whats the next move for passengers on that train?

13-07-2010, 18:53	#19
chris Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 131	http://www.u.tv/News/Trouble-flares-...e-eb091bf4d146 55 passengers

13-07-2010, 19:12	#20
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	RTE quoted 110 on board If luggage was stolen/damaged a passenger should apply in writing to Translink or Irish Rail under the CIV rules providing evidence that they were onboard and a statement of the loss incurred http://www.otif.org/pdf_external/e/RU-CIV-1999-e.PDF The only exclusion I can find in the rules applies to nuclear incidents __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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