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Originally Posted by Derek Wheeler
What are the plans to connect navan rail with any other transport mode in Dublin west? Where will the very sad project that is Metro west connect?
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I doubt metro west will go ahead. It's just too stupid. I can't see the RPA going ahead with it when it's clear it will have no passengers, unless they make a tram that can carry cars.
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For example, I know people in Navan that work in Sandyford. How will T21 rail projects work for them in line with a competitive public transport journey time over 40 miles?
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um, I think the idea is to change at liffey junction. So it might take 45 minutes to Liffey junction and then 20 minutes to Stephen's Green and then 22 minutes to Sandyford plus allow a few minutes to change train - so an hour and a half all in.
Compare that to driving. M3 + upgraded M50 from Navan to Sandyford should be do-able in 90 minutes @25mph. thing about the train is that you need to get to the station first, presumably you drive to the p&r from your 7bedroom McMansion in a field outside Navan where you have been enjoying the good life miles away from any other human lifeform.
Mark Gleeson has shown that commuting by car from Navan would cost about 7 quid more per day than taking the train. But put yourself in the mind of Navan man in 2012, in his car, pulling out of his gravel driveway. Thanks to Dempsey and MoT, he's now got a choice:
either
drive to the P&R wait for train, fretting it doesn't show, stand on steamy train for 45 minutes, feeling ill, get off at windswept station, wait for Luas, endure journey through town just above walking pace, arrive in Sandyford station, 10 minutes walk through rain to office.
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turn on radio and climate control, light cigarette, lie back in leather seat and just keep driving down the newly-built, billion-euro M3, get on to the M50 using the new billion euro junction and extra lanes, arrive in Sandyford where most companies provide parking for free to employees. get out of car, get in lift.
OK, so the second option costs more but the only immediately visible cost to the motorist are the tolls and he probably has eazypass. And if you're a Navan commuter you'll have got used to the idea of paying a fortune in petrol bills.
Would P&R be free in Navan? If not it will be like a toll to use the train.
There is no BIK on parking and there never will be.
This is why I disagree with building the M3 and upgrading the M50. People will only use a train if driving is really ****e.