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Sherlock 04-06-2006 04:34

Dublin to Rosslare Line
 

Plans for a €350m mixed shops, hotel and apartment development overlooking Wexford Harbour are about to be submitted by Deerland Construction, headed up by Derry McPhillips.

The Trinity Wharf project will include a 282 bedroom hotel, conference and leisure centre as well as a shopping mall with three anchor stores and 50 other shops.

In addition there will be a six screen cinema and 266 apartments.

Rising in height from two to 14 storeys, the development will take place on a 2.4 hectare site which straddles the Dublin Rosslare railway line at Trinity Wharf, near the Talbot Hotel in Wexford Town.

One of the apartment blocks will incorporate a feature 14 storey landmark tower element with a gym located on the 13th and 14th storeys and a bar restaurant on the ground floor.

Kilkenny-based Deerland Construction is headed by Derry McPhillips and the company currently has other large towncentre and retail development projects in train in Dundalk, Mullingar, New Ross, Waterford and Kilkenny. It also developed and manages the largest shopping centre in Mullingar, the Harbour Place Shopping Centre where the anchor tenant is Dunnes Stores.

Trinity Wharf will have a total enclosed building area of 120,000 sq m. and the plans for the development also include a 1,946 sq m. food court in the shopping mall as well as three restaurant/bars in three of of the six apartment blocks.

The hotel building will range in height from two to 13 storeys and its leisure centre will include a swimming pool.

Bounded on three sides by Wexford Harbour, the overall project will also contain a 1,217 sq m. community hall, a creche and parking for 1,844 cars in a three storey car park over the two storey retail section.

In addition there will also be a five storey office block with 11,233 sq m. of floor space.

Other features of the development will include a riverside walkway, two plazas and a glazed canopy to the Trinity St entrance.

An existing shop at the Trinity Street portion of the site will be demolished to facilitate the construction of a large linkage platform with bridge over the Dublin-Rosslare rail line, thus providing the main entrance to the scheme.

Donal Buckley
Irish Independent






what limitations would the proposed development place on future enhancements to the Europort line?

Kevin K Kelehan 04-06-2006 09:48

Sherlock

It is very hard to assess what if any impact it will have from the article above; if you had a planning reference or could scan up the site layout in relation to the line it may be possible to address your query fully.

There has been a little further discussion on Archiseek but again details appear patchy http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=4764

Sherlock 04-06-2006 16:04

Architects Plans
 
http://www.anthonyreddy.com/projects/retail/wexford.htm

The planners went against what was laid out in the Wexford Development Plan of 2002 and rezoned this land. What limitations this development will place on future enhancements to the Dublin to Rosslare Europort line is unknown. Would you know if this development could have any negative impact?

The proposed development is on a grand scale and would involve huge amounts of heavy construction trucks crossing over this mainline railway line. Surely this alone must raise health and safety fears?

Kevin K Kelehan 04-06-2006 16:14

Tha planners or the town council?

Sherlock 04-06-2006 16:24

Wexford.
 
Wexford Borough Council are behind this.

www.wexfordcorp.ie

Wexford County Council

www.wexford.ie

Kevin K Kelehan 04-06-2006 16:37

I understand that the re-zoning has been effected within the area which Wexford Borough Council have responsibility; do you know was this done via a Council Meeting or simply as part of a planning application decision?

Sherlock 04-06-2006 16:52

rezoning
 
http://www.wexford.ie/services/notic...vPlan(feb).htm

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Kevin K Kelehan 04-06-2006 17:08

All seems above board in terms of the rezoning which appears to be motivated by genuine planning concerns.

It is however a hulk of a scheme @ c675,000 sq feet and it is unclear from the images whether the scheme will remain within the existing shoreline or will require a foreshore licence from the Dept of Marine Comm etc

It will be interesting to see of IE bother to make a submission in their role as proscribed observer.

Sherlock 04-06-2006 18:05

At odds with Development Plan
 
If you read the Development Plan for Wexford 2002 then it becomes clear that the rezoning is in conflict with paragraph 1.5.4 on pg 15.

This type of development is considered not 'viable' according to the Wexford Development Plan.

http://www.wexford.ie/Documents/DevP...ordDevPlan.pdf

Mark Gleeson 04-06-2006 21:05

Does does this effect rail services?

No, its only 3 trains a day anyway each way so if work is required its unlikely to disrupt services

Unless the development infringes or has a negative impact on rail services we have no interest or remit to complain or challenge, development is normally good don't see why anyone should get worried, it might actually mean more rail passengers

Kevin K Kelehan 05-06-2006 08:35

What I would interested to know is whether IE made a submission on the rezoning in an effort to ensure that conditions would be imposed to minimise the impacts upon the railway

Sherlock 13-06-2006 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson
Does does this effect rail services?

No, its only 3 trains a day anyway each way so if work is required its unlikely to disrupt services

Unless the development infringes or has a negative impact on rail services we have no interest or remit to complain or challenge, development is normally good don't see why anyone should get worried, it might actually mean more rail passengers

'Does this effect rail services?' That's the question I am asking.

Only 3 trains a day? Considering this is the Europort line, do you not think there might be an increase of traffic on this line? We should not be building developments to suit cars at the expense of our rail network.

'All development is good?' Nonsense, each development must be judged on its merits.

'It might actually mean more rail passengers'. What makes you think that?

Derek Wheeler 13-06-2006 22:09

May I suggest that Kevin takes the lead in P11 feedback on this topic, as his knowledge on planning issues is paramount.

Continue Kevin.

Kevin K Kelehan 14-06-2006 11:17

It is hard to say with any certainty if it will affect the rail line in the absence of drawings but from the architects page it appears to be away from the line as denoted by the green area to the west of the site.

It is hard to say what impact it will have going forward as there are no commuter services south of Gorey it is unlikely to increase traffic dramatically.

In the construction phase I'm sure there would be some disruption to services but I'm sure that the Council would ensure that these impacts were minimised.

All in all rail impacts will probably be the lowest impacts this scheme has

Thomas J Stamp 14-06-2006 11:39

I would agree, there will be similar disruption caused by the Landsdowne Road re-development (ie not much). Builidng techniquies and safety regimes nowadays make what would have been a major disruption one that now would not be a threat to rail services at all.

Also, 3 services by railcar a day. How could anything disrupt the service nay more than IE have done already?


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