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Mark Gleeson 24-03-2017 05:30

Bus Eireann Strike - Rail Disruption
 
Due colocation of Bus Eireann with Irish Rail at

Waterford
Galway
Sligo
Tralee
Athlone

Expect disruption and cancellations

Early services from Sligo, Limerick, Waterford and Galway are already cancelled

Mark Gleeson 24-03-2017 05:44

Refunds
 
As no part of Irish Rail is on strike, nor are any of their agents or contractors a duty of care under EC1371 exists.

Force majeure cannot be used as an excuse, EU courts have ruled actions or third party events cannot be used to avoid responsibility.

You are entitled to alternative transport, refunds, compensation for delays, up to and including overnight accommodation if your journey is not possible to complete in a day.

Mark Gleeson 24-03-2017 05:46

Cancellations so far

05.30 Galway to Heuston
05.45 Sligo to Connolly
05.50 Cork to Heuston
06.00 Waterford to Heuston
06.15 Cork to Heuston
07.00 Cork to Heuston
07.10 Waterford to Heuston
All Western Rail Corridor
Limerick - Limerick Junction - Waterford
Nenagh Branch
Cork commuter services

Return workings from Dublin likely to be cancelled as a result

At High Risk

Dublin Sligo services may terminate half way due swapping with a driver from Sligo

Mark Gleeson 24-03-2017 06:03

What we know to be running

All services from Portlaoise
All Dublin area services
All cross border

05:40 Longford Dublin
06:15 Longford Dublin
05:20 Athlone Dublin

Mickey H 24-03-2017 08:37

Why is Cork affected? I did not think BE and IR shared the depot there?

What legal justification is there for refusing to cross a picket line when it is a separate company's staff who are in dispute?

Mickey H 24-03-2017 08:41

Iarnród Éireann has advised customers that there will be significant disruption to Intercity rail services today, Friday 24th March, arising from picketing associated with the Bus Éireann dispute. Iarnród Éireann is not a party to this dispute.

There will be limited services on the following routes:
•Dublin/Cork, Dublin/Limerick, Dublin/Galway, Dublin/Sligo, Dublin/Waterford, Dublin/Rosslare

Cork Route:
- Heuston to Cork - 07:00hrs, 08:00hrs, 09:00hrs, 14:00hrs, 15:00hrs, 16:00hrs, 17:00hrs services will operate to Mallow only.
- Cork to Heuston - 10:44hrs, 11:44hrs and 12:44hrs services will operate from Mallow only.
- 23:15hrs Heuston to Cork/Limerick (match special) cannot be guaranteed.

Waterford Route: Services operating between Heuston & Kilkenny only.

Sligo Route:
- Limited and curtailed service with no trains serving Sligo Station.
- 08:00hrs Connolly/Sligo will operate to Longford only.
- 11:05hrs Connolly/Sligo will operate but may terminate in Boyle.
- 17:05hrs & 18:05hrs Connolly/Longford will operate.

Galway Route:
- 07:40hrs Galway to Heuston will operate.
- 11:05hrs Heuston to Galway will operate.
- 13:25hrs Heuston to Galway will operate.
- 23:25hrs Heuston to Galway (match special) cannot be guaranteed.

Rosslare Route:
- 13:36hrs Connolly/Rosslare will operate to Wicklow only.
- 18:38hrs Connolly/Rosslare will operate to Wicklow only.

There will be no services on the following routes:
•Cork Commuter, Limerick to Limerick Jct., Waterford to Limerick Junction, Limerick to Galway, Limerick to Ballybrophy via Nenagh, Tralee to Mallow

The following services are cancelled:
•05.30 Galway to Heuston
•05.45 Sligo to Connolly
•05.50 Cork to Heuston
•06.00 Waterford to Heuston
•06.15 Cork to Heuston
•07.00 Cork to Heuston
•07:00 Sligo to Connolly
•07:05 Tralee to Heuston
•07.10 Waterford to Heuston
•07:20 Rosslare to Connolly
•09:00 Sligo to Connolly
•09:40 Connolly to Rosslare
•10:00 Heuston to Cork
•11:00 Heuston to Cork
•11:25 Heuston to Galway
•12:00 Heuston to Cork
•13:00 Heuston to Cork
•13:15 Heuston to Waterford
•13:20 Cork to Heuston
•14:20 Cork to Heuston
•15:20 Cork to Heuston
•16:20 Cork to Heuston
•17:30 Heuston to Galway
•17:35 Heuston to Waterford
•17:36 Connolly/Wexford
•18:00 Heuston to Cork
•18:35 Heuston to Waterford
•18:30 Heuston to Galway
•19:00 Heuston to Cork
•21:00 Heuston to Cork

We will update with other services affected on Intercity routes during the day.

DART, Commuter, Westport, Belfast routes are currently operating as normal.

ThomasJ 24-03-2017 09:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey H (Post 78533)
Iarnród Éireann has advised customers that there will be significant disruption to Intercity rail services today, Friday 24th March, arising from picketing associated with the Bus Éireann dispute. Iarnród Éireann is not a party to this dispute.

There will be limited services on the following routes:
•Dublin/Cork, Dublin/Limerick, Dublin/Galway, Dublin/Sligo, Dublin/Waterford, Dublin/Rosslare

Cork Route:
- Heuston to Cork - 07:00hrs, 08:00hrs, 09:00hrs, 14:00hrs, 15:00hrs, 16:00hrs, 17:00hrs services will operate to Mallow only.
- Cork to Heuston - 10:44hrs, 11:44hrs and 12:44hrs services will operate from Mallow only.
- 23:15hrs Heuston to Cork/Limerick (match special) cannot be guaranteed.

Waterford Route: Services operating between Heuston & Kilkenny only.

Sligo Route:
- Limited and curtailed service with no trains serving Sligo Station.
- 08:00hrs Connolly/Sligo will operate to Longford only.
- 11:05hrs Connolly/Sligo will operate but may terminate in Boyle.
- 17:05hrs & 18:05hrs Connolly/Longford will operate.

Galway Route:
- 07:40hrs Galway to Heuston will operate.
- 11:05hrs Heuston to Galway will operate.
- 13:25hrs Heuston to Galway will operate.
- 23:25hrs Heuston to Galway (match special) cannot be guaranteed.

Rosslare Route:
- 13:36hrs Connolly/Rosslare will operate to Wicklow only.
- 18:38hrs Connolly/Rosslare will operate to Wicklow only.

There will be no services on the following routes:
•Cork Commuter, Limerick to Limerick Jct., Waterford to Limerick Junction, Limerick to Galway, Limerick to Ballybrophy via Nenagh, Tralee to Mallow

The following services are cancelled:
•05.30 Galway to Heuston
•05.45 Sligo to Connolly
•05.50 Cork to Heuston
•06.00 Waterford to Heuston
•06.15 Cork to Heuston
•07.00 Cork to Heuston
•07:00 Sligo to Connolly
•07:05 Tralee to Heuston
•07.10 Waterford to Heuston
•07:20 Rosslare to Connolly
•09:00 Sligo to Connolly
•09:40 Connolly to Rosslare
•10:00 Heuston to Cork
•11:00 Heuston to Cork
•11:25 Heuston to Galway
•12:00 Heuston to Cork
•13:00 Heuston to Cork
•13:15 Heuston to Waterford
•13:20 Cork to Heuston
•14:20 Cork to Heuston
•15:20 Cork to Heuston
•16:20 Cork to Heuston
•17:30 Heuston to Galway
•17:35 Heuston to Waterford
•17:36 Connolly/Wexford
•18:00 Heuston to Cork
•18:35 Heuston to Waterford
•18:30 Heuston to Galway
•19:00 Heuston to Cork
•21:00 Heuston to Cork

We will update with other services affected on Intercity routes during the day.

DART, Commuter, Westport, Belfast routes are currently operating as normal.

That list has been updated since, the 17:05 connolly Sligo won't run. The 17:15 connolly longford will run.

Jamie2k9 24-03-2017 09:57

Some services will run to Cork (all commuter and Dublin services), Sligo and Galway from 11.00

Looks like unions forced Cork staff to return to work or IE dangled legal action as it was completely illegal.

Mark Gleeson 24-03-2017 10:23

Unclear what was going on in Cork, but seems like we are back in business and this will get a huge amount of trains back moving

This evenings special for the soccer from Dublin to Cork is ON but Limerick connection is OFF

Thomas J Stamp 24-03-2017 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey H (Post 78532)
Why is Cork affected? I did not think BE and IR shared the depot there?

What legal justification is there for refusing to cross a picket line when it is a separate company's staff who are in dispute?


none.

the unions flagged this two weeks ago when it last looked like there was going to be an all out strike in BE. therefore they have allowed this to happen. whatever small amount of public sympathy they may have hoped for in the next rail dispute has just been flushed down the pan.

James Howard 24-03-2017 11:49

I guess that'll be the end of anything being done about anywhere else since in Irish Rail's eyes once Cork is all right, everything's fine.

ACustomer 24-03-2017 12:21

IE and BE share facilities or sites in Limerick, Galway and Sligo, so one might expect disruption in services to and from these. However in Cork, facilities are separate, so picketing must have been outrageously aggressive and provocative. The same should be true of Waterford: any sign of sanity there?

Even in Galway, Sligo and Limerick there should be no rail stoppage if there is no dispute with IE. "Not passing pickets" is Ireland's last taboo; it's not as if the rail workers were trying to do the bus workers' jobs. It's effectively a case of secondary picketing and should not be allowed.

Jamie2k9 24-03-2017 13:58

More less business as usual from Tralee since 12.00.

Galway as managed to get more less 2 hourly serice ex Dublin with special 17.45 to Athlone replacing the regular 17.30 to Galway and 15.30 Athlone to Heuston replacing the 14.40/15.05 ex Galway.

Just Limerick completely closed

Waterford completely closed (special 17.40 to Carlow and regular 20.15/21.35) and two Dublin restored services operating to Kilkenny.

Sligo more less closed but some service to Longford/Enfeld/Boyle.

Quote:

IE and BE share facilities or sites in Limerick, Galway and Sligo, so one might expect disruption in services to and from these. However in Cork, facilities are separate, so picketing must have been outrageously aggressive and provocative. The same should be true of Waterford: any sign of sanity there?
It was more less IE staff causing problems in Cork, Waterford is a tricky one as there are only office staff in station and not drivers based there.
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If it goes on into Monday IE better take action.

Jamie2k9 24-03-2017 14:04

Quote:

none.

the unions flagged this two weeks ago when it last looked like there was going to be an all out strike in BE. therefore they have allowed this to happen. whatever small amount of public sympathy they may have hoped for in the next rail dispute has just been flushed down the pan.
Unions also said IE staff would not be impacted by the action today at shared depots but also stated they would support them if any disciplinary action was taken by IE for failing to work.

James Howard 24-03-2017 15:09

Any information on refunds for Taxsaver tickets? Technically there is a commuter service from Longford, but I wouldn't chance taking it as there is a fair possibility of not being able to get home.

Mickey H 25-03-2017 08:50

"In a statement this morning, Iarnród Éireann has advised passengers that all services are operating on all routes today."

RTE Website 0850

Jamie2k9 26-03-2017 19:40

IE to update at 05.00 about tomorrow however they say no disruption is expected but there are rumours it could be a repeat of Friday if not worse and from hearing one or two things its quiet possible, only time will tell.

Jamie2k9 27-03-2017 16:13

SIPTU are reportedly going to balliot IE/DB workers for action. Also looks like the protest planned for Wednesday could disrupt services.

http://www.thejournal.ie/bus-strike-...09546-Mar2017/

Mickey H 27-03-2017 20:33

What is the earliest a strike complying with legislation could begin? I know there has to be 7 days' strike notice but are there specified timescales for conducting a ballot?

Jamie2k9 27-03-2017 21:04

Quote:

What is the earliest a strike complying with legislation could begin? I know there has to be 7 days' strike notice but are there specified timescales for conducting a ballot?
Chances are tomorrow or Wednesday before it takes place and lets say at least a day (very unlikely) before they have a result legally it likely going to be at least Thursday or Friday week before a strike could take place legally. It would be almost two weeks into a BE strike and realistically I cannot see BE going on that long.

As there is no disruption in the capital you can clearly see how bothered most people are, it's been 4 full days and there has been very very limited coverage across the media.

James Howard 28-03-2017 07:46

The Irish Times is suggesting that any balloted strike would not start until late next month. I can't see Bus Éireann surviving until late next week at this rate. Although, if Bus Éireann collapses which is getting very likely, all bets are off.

I reckon the most likely outcome of all this is Bus Éireann getting a wedge of government money to wind up Expressway which can probably be pushed past state aid regulations. There is no way anyone in their right mind would buy Expressway - it's not worth anything. Their only assets are licences for slow bus routes and staff who are very generously paid compared to any competitors. This does seem like a valuable asset.

Jamie2k9 is right - nobody is going to pay any attention until there is a threat of serious disruption to Dublin city transport. Nobody powerful really cares about transport services mainly used by students and elderly people in the regional cities.

JohnnyBoy 28-03-2017 07:47

Yeah so having realised that a): the vast majority don't care and b): their actions are about to drive BE into extinction, they try to strangle the country. Bad news folks, when that was done in the 70s and even 80s, it ground the country to a halt but we all have cars now so it just p*sses everyone off. Then when BE folds, the public response will likely be, "F 'em!"

Sympathy strikes should be illegal (and may actually be if the noises coming from the NBRU (of all people) are anything to go by).

Mickey H 28-03-2017 12:02

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0328/863077-bus-eireann/ (extracts)


Workers at both those companies are to be balloted next week on taking industrial action in sympathy with and in support of Bus Éireann workers.


Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, SIPTU organiser Willie Noone said it was reasonable to expect that if wages in Bus Éireann are driven down, then workers in Dublin Bus can expect similar cuts.

He said the ballot of workers will take a number of weeks to carry out.

JohnnyBoy 28-03-2017 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey H (Post 78555)
He said the ballot of workers will take a number of weeks to carry out.

By which time BE will be in examinership.

ACustomer 28-03-2017 15:32

Quote:

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, SIPTU organiser Willie Noone said it was reasonable to expect that if wages in Bus Éireann are driven down, then workers in Dublin Bus can expect similar cuts.
Does he have any real basis for this? Not so long ago DB workers got significant pay rises, unlike (as far as I am aware) BE workers.

Sounds like bravado or "alternative facts", lapped up of course by our ever somnolent journalists.

James Howard 28-03-2017 16:09

For the immediate future, it doesn't seem likely that Dublin Bus will experience the same competitive forces that Bus Éireann are facing. So for the moment, I'd say he has no basis. Who's to say that won't change in the longer term.

The real issue for Bus Éireann is that they can't continue to subsidise loss-making "commercial" routes with PSO funds so they basically have to cut costs or withdraw those services. They obviously can't increase fares since their dwindling traffic is going to go elsewhere. No amount of striking will change this basic equation and state aid rules prevent subsidising Expressway from PSO money.

I've been wondering for a while about how Bus Éireann can operate a lot of their routes at all. I rarely drive into Longford town without seeing a Bus Éireann bus going to or from Ballina or Sligo - both "commercial" (or so the NTA has told me). I really find it hard to see how they aren't losing a fortune on these routes. It's also hard to see how they could be justified as PSO services since both routes are very well served by the train during the day.

ACustomer 28-03-2017 16:48

James Howard: you have got it 100% right. I would go further and say that the real aim of union leaders may be political, i.e. to force a change in the financing framework, and to hell with the EU. Shades of Irish Water, anyone?

For me it looks like a move towards a political strike, aimed at a virtually powerless minority government.

Thomas J Stamp 29-03-2017 14:33

i can see any strike in IE/BAC being injuncted as there are actually no industrial relations issues existing at the moment. its not good enough to say there may be something in the future because of what is going on in BE.

Although off topic as a whole, the basis for the BE strike/problems are absolutely political. Although the unions are saying that this is all about the refusal of the government to pay for public transport the reality is that it is only on certain parts of the expressway network that BE wants to hack at, not the PSO elements, and put the money into the PSO.

In rail terms it would be like IE getting out of DART and putting the savings into Waterford/Limerick. Most of the expressway routes are getting heavy competition from other operators, although the types of coverage from them is selective. Only BE and Kavanaghs serve Roscrea, Nenagh, Mouthrath on the Limerick Route for example. Not all private operators services do Portlaoise either. Im not sure about the Cork route but I imagine that not all of them stop in Cashel etc.

You have to wonder why BE use full sized coaches for many of their routes as well. The old service form Cork to Athlone was ended some years ago, it was a full sized coach and was always mostly empty. Locally we now have a kavanaghs mini coach which serves Thurles/Templemore/Roscrea. That was a profitable part of the route because it was part of the timetable which hit the rush hours, the rest didnt. Maybe this is the way. The BE north south service I see in Nenagh is never anything near full either and is another massive coach.

Jamie2k9 29-03-2017 15:07

Quote:

i can see any strike in IE/BAC being injuncted as there are actually no industrial relations issues existing at the moment. its not good enough to say there may be something in the future because of what is going on in BE.
Whatever IE do, it may well set a bad tone for pay discussions when the Labor Court make a ruling (must be due soon enough).

grainne whale 29-03-2017 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp (Post 78565)
i can see any strike in IE/BAC being injuncted as there are actually no industrial relations issues existing at the moment. its not good enough to say there may be something in the future because of what is going on in BE.

Although off topic as a whole, the basis for the BE strike/problems are absolutely political. Although the unions are saying that this is all about the refusal of the government to pay for public transport the reality is that it is only on certain parts of the expressway network that BE wants to hack at, not the PSO elements, and put the money into the PSO.

In rail terms it would be like IE getting out of DART and putting the savings into Waterford/Limerick. Most of the expressway routes are getting heavy competition from other operators, although the types of coverage from them is selective. Only BE and Kavanaghs serve Roscrea, Nenagh, Mouthrath on the Limerick Route for example. Not all private operators services do Portlaoise either. Im not sure about the Cork route but I imagine that not all of them stop in Cashel etc.

You have to wonder why BE use full sized coaches for many of their routes as well. The old service form Cork to Athlone was ended some years ago, it was a full sized coach and was always mostly empty. Locally we now have a kavanaghs mini coach which serves Thurles/Templemore/Roscrea. That was a profitable part of the route because it was part of the timetable which hit the rush hours, the rest didnt. Maybe this is the way. The BE north south service I see in Nenagh is never anything near full either and is another massive coach.

Yes I always wondered why they use the full size (very expensive) coaches on routes that don't require them. Silly really :confused:

comcor 29-03-2017 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp (Post 78565)
You have to wonder why BE use full sized coaches for many of their routes as well. The old service form Cork to Athlone was ended some years ago, it was a full sized coach and was always mostly empty. Locally we now have a kavanaghs mini coach which serves Thurles/Templemore/Roscrea. That was a profitable part of the route because it was part of the timetable which hit the rush hours, the rest didnt. Maybe this is the way. The BE north south service I see in Nenagh is never anything near full either and is another massive coach.

The only saving on going to a smaller coach is in fuel, which accounts for about a third of the cost of running the service. And then they'll only save a quarter of that third. Against that they save by not having to maintain multiple types in their fleet and not having to train drivers on multiple types.

All that said, the only coaches (as opposed to city buses) I ever see full in Cork are on the PSO routes to Kinsale, Macroom and Fermoy/Clonmel. Otherwise, the Friday evening departures to Galway/Limerick may fill the coach. It all suggests that maybe their coaches are too large in general. I'd also question why they retire coaches when they do only to see them reappear on a private competitor's services.

Eddie 29-03-2017 23:10

Had a day trip to Derry back in February, utilising the €8.99 BE on-line offer. Ironically, shortly after, it was announced that the Dubin - Derry route was closing from May. Ulster Bus also operate the route, and for some reason, their buses seemed fuller. Note sure if they have better times, but I imagine they'll plug any gaps left by BE.

There were about 15 people on board and everyone else paid the full cash fare to the driver. So other than us, no one on that bus on that day had been attracted by BEs marketing. Not one of the other passengers that were travelling either knew of the offer, or was sufficiently motivated by it, or perhaps could not avail of it because they were not travelling the full route.

We had a 20 minute drivers rest stop in Monaghan bus station. It felt like going back in time 20-30 years arriving there. Yet the NI bus stations we went through later were modern and up-to-date.

The current drivers are caught up in an unfortunate situation. They have a relatively well paid job and pension that probably bears little resemblance to the net income derived from the service they provide and probably don't have to live in Dublin. They probably don't have the hassle of many passengers to carry and drive nice new buses.

As a country, we shouldn't be spending a fortune subsidising a service network for a handful of passengers - there are cheaper ways of ferrying them about. Perhaps some private sector innovation is what is required here - mimic Ryanair, using the internet to market and sell tickets to fill the buses up at prices people are prepared to pay. If after a trial period, a route can't pay its way then axe it. Another provider might be able to operate the same route profitably simply because it's paying market rates for its drivers.

Thomas J Stamp 30-03-2017 11:39

Well, thats the whole question, isnt it. Do we as a society want to have a public transport system or not and assuming we do, how much do we pay for it?

the problems within BE seem to be centred on the expressway service. you would imagine that these routes would be making the most money, but they seem to be loss making which is odd. However people I know in the private sector say that the reason is because BE swamp certain routes to try and destroy the privateers who get a licence for those routes as well.

As I know the limerick route well, this seems correct. BE turned the Dublin/Limerick route hourly a few years ago. They developed (for a while) a 24 hour service when JJ Kavanagh's did. They've made Portlaoise the first stop and got rid of the rest stop in Borris in Ossory because the privateers did likewise.

Was this to destroy the opposition or to be able to compete with them?

Now we have BE, Kavanaghs's, DublinCoach, CityLink & EireEagle on the same strip of road more or less all serving the same stops.

It makes sense for the NTA to tell some of the private operators to share more stops and allow BE to withdraw services on the route. Alternatively you can order them all to share stops so that each town gets enough departures during the day.

The buses and drivers of BE get moved into other PSO routes (and yes, maybe with a common fleet of smaller vehicles).

Expressway as a brand was only established in the 70's and it never operated an hourly service on any route till the 90's with the Belfast Dublin one, and then this was expanded to Galway, Limerick and Cork just as private operators came along in those corridors.....

grainne whale 30-03-2017 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by comcor (Post 78568)
The only saving on going to a smaller coach is in fuel, which accounts for about a third of the cost of running the service. And then they'll only save a quarter of that third. Against that they save by not having to maintain multiple types in their fleet and not having to train drivers on multiple types.

All that said, the only coaches (as opposed to city buses) I ever see full in Cork are on the PSO routes to Kinsale, Macroom and Fermoy/Clonmel. Otherwise, the Friday evening departures to Galway/Limerick may fill the coach. It all suggests that maybe their coaches are too large in general. I'd also question why they retire coaches when they do only to see them reappear on a private competitor's services.

Yes but that saving multiplied by a certain amount of journeys :rolleyes: and surely they have enough information as to which routes and days they need a large coach.

Thomas J Stamp 31-03-2017 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by grainne whale (Post 78572)
Yes but that saving multiplied by a certain amount of journeys :rolleyes: and surely they have enough information as to which routes and days they need a large coach.

not to mention that the actual reductions they want in Expressway (for example) are quite small when you look at it per departure/bus/worker but looked at over a year are quite substantial.

Colm Moore 01-04-2017 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by comcor (Post 78568)
The only saving on going to a smaller coach is in fuel, which accounts for about a third of the cost of running the service. And then they'll only save a quarter of that third.

That's a saving of 8% - that can be the difference between making a profit and not. There there are the capital costs of large -v- medium small vehicles.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas J Stamp (Post 78571)
However people I know in the private sector say that the reason is because BE swamp certain routes to try and destroy the privateers who get a licence for those routes as well.

This has been knocked on the head. Operators are only allowed operate to their licenced timetable. Extra services can't exceed a certain percentage.

Quote:

It makes sense for the NTA to tell some of the private operators to share more stops and allow BE to withdraw services on the route. Alternatively you can order them all to share stops so that each town gets enough departures during the day.
Running long distance services through every town and village is inappropriate. All services should stop at a few main stops and then one or two operators should operate a consistent local service to the lesser stops.

Jamie2k9 02-04-2017 21:24

Looks like WRC may invite both sides for talks this week with one condition been no repeat of Fridays wildcat strikes.

If it happens I really hope IE/DB don't back down on recovering losses from Friday, could be talking up to a million between them if you consider the lost revenue and NTA funding.

Mark Gleeson 03-04-2017 12:20

NBRU look like they are in some trouble now
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-35587709.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/bus-eireann...20861-Apr2017/

Jamie2k9 13-04-2017 14:06

BE returning to work for a few weeks at least, DB voted (SIPTU) 67% to take action with IE's result due next week.


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