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This was an obvious thing that would catch the system out, few of us even know that ticket exists
Blackrock can issue a ticket for the following day for the journey or maybe the bus driver should be given a stack of use once exit tickets and issue them to rail users Thats actually too simple, must write to Joe Meagher in DB so |
I had thought about that. I sometimes get a ticket on the Feeder to Blackrock and leave at Tara....
Maybe CIE will do something right and start putting ticket machines at bus stops. :rolleyes: |
It doesn't retain single tickets, I checked
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Seriously IE, you have surpassed yourselves here. You have take off the shelf technology and made a balls of it. Well done, you're not getting there, you're going back in time. |
I'm pretty sure it ate the ticket I bought from the ticket office, but returned the one from the TVM.... although that was a number of weeks ago... maybe it has changed?
As the TVM's don't issue receipts, I'd have them if they didn't return the ticket! |
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In many cases the ticket has use after leaving the station eg valid on feeder bus and intercity passengers can break their journey Only booking office can issue a receipt, from my experience the legal guys in IE are very on the ball in terms of legal matters on ticket sales, max coin change etc so it figures |
Mine was from the TVM too. But still, how hard is it to get simple things right?
They are actually fast for exiting, you don't have to wait for the doors to close so if you are in a queue they are very quick. They seem to take a long time to read a counter bought ticket and open the doors though. |
I agree they are much quicker than the old style ones, but it really negates their use by keeping the gate open between passengers. Look at Clontarf Road at 8:30am when a Northbound Dart arrives... everyone just walks through.
Not that I'm complaining! I'm still all for an open-system. (oh, and I'm not 100% sure it retained the ticket office ticket... it was a few weeks ago when the barriers were first introduced, and I was 1/2 asleep) |
Legally the setup is correct, either way it has no impact on the system. Keeping the ticket means very little, since the ticket won't allow you enter or exit again
I've had no problems with normal booking office issued tickets, unlimited tickets eg monthly are always faster on entry (no need to print on rear) but no different on exit to singles/returns The question becomes what happens if the machine fills up with used tickets what does it do, shut down for exit or simply not retain the ticket ? |
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some get scattered around the car parks too....:rolleyes: |
The machines at Blackrock do not keep tickets, TVM or ticket office issued. I checked today.
I am actually impressed. IE have managed to make a mess of something that other operators have done for years. They truely are one of the, if not the, worst rail operator in the developed world. Give yourselves a pat on the back lads but don't get too comfortable. There is a disabled elephant who is coming for your jobs. |
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To be honest who cares if it keeps the ticket? It in no way impacts on the systems functionailty the entire point of exit validation is to ensure you have a valid ticket it works. The machines are provided by one of the world leaders in revenue collection so its decent kit
What we do know is it can keep tickets, we also know there is sound legal reasons for not retaining the tickets owing to the right to obtain a receipt |
There are two very good reasons which it should keep tickets. One is that is speeds up exit because people just walk through and forget about their tickets. The second is, seeing as this is Ireland, it will clean up the areas around train stations by denying people the chance to drop their tickets on the ground as soon as they leave.
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As far as I remember a single on the Underground in London is retained by the exit validator. However, when you buy a ticket from a machine, you have an option to print a receipt at the same time. For times when I've wanted to 'keep the ticket' (i.e. for an expenses claim), this has been fine.
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The other problem is the slowness of entry. Far slower than London or Paris. |
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Ho, ho, ho
Ho, ho, ho, those canny designers/engineers sure have a sense of humour in the F&A picture above. They obviously aren't familiar with the IE design philosophy covering ease of movement within stations. If only we could have a DART station with that number of gates lined up directly facing an entrance/exit *and* the access to the platforms.
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"rugged but beautiful"
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